From majy_the_dragon at hotmail.com Wed Jan 4 12:56:06 2012 From: majy_the_dragon at hotmail.com (Super Warden) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:56:06 -0600 Subject: FL: FrankMDamico Message-ID: Put your affairs in order! http://su-lugar.com.ar/anythings.php?cimpagenumber=66 Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:56:05 __________________ "And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes to heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner." (c) Rayann woulaaa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icepool101 at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 23:34:41 2012 From: icepool101 at gmail.com (Rylee Logan) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:34:41 -0700 Subject: FL: FrankMDamico In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What the heck? On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Super Warden wrote: > Put your affairs in order! > http://su-lugar.com.ar/anythings.php?cimpagenumber=66 > > > Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:56:05 > __________________ > "And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his > eyes to heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a > sinner." (c) Rayann woulaaa > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aidenislove at yahoo.com Thu Jan 5 08:40:25 2012 From: aidenislove at yahoo.com (Aiden Raccoon) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 05:40:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: FL: FrankMDamico In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1325770825.9242.YahooMailNeo@web33905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Do not repost a spam link if you reply.? You must delete the spam link first. ________________________________ From: Rylee Logan To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 10:34 PM Subject: Re: FL: FrankMDamico What the heck? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smrgol at optonline.net Thu Jan 5 08:56:24 2012 From: smrgol at optonline.net (Smrgol) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:56:24 -0500 Subject: FL: FrankMDamico In-Reply-To: <1325770825.9242.YahooMailNeo@web33905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1325770825.9242.YahooMailNeo@web33905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F422548C68D47F6AFD0B7A083884D06@Eeyore> Probably just a hijacked mailing program. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tycho at ws6transam.org Mon Jan 9 11:34:21 2012 From: tycho at ws6transam.org (Tycho Brahe) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 11:34:21 -0500 Subject: FL: FrankMDamico In-Reply-To: <3F422548C68D47F6AFD0B7A083884D06@Eeyore> References: <1325770825.9242.YahooMailNeo@web33905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3F422548C68D47F6AFD0B7A083884D06@Eeyore> Message-ID: <3c700e6c5ab7c44a376b82f5e7a552e6.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> Sure did get the conversation restarted though. The list is quiet enough that I check this email account only once per week. On Thu, January 5, 2012 8:56 am, Smrgol wrote: > Probably just a hijacked mailing program. > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -- Inquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by necessity. From marcwolf at marcwolf.org Tue Jan 10 05:37:57 2012 From: marcwolf at marcwolf.org (marcwolf.org) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:37:57 +1000 Subject: FL: weta Legs or Digi Stilts Message-ID: Hi all I need to talk to somebody who has brought a pair of these. In essence I need the measurement of the foot length from the heel to the footplate. Many thanks Marcwolf From thekayakingfox at hotmail.com Tue Jan 10 09:34:48 2012 From: thekayakingfox at hotmail.com (Andrew Morton) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 06:34:48 -0800 Subject: FL: weta Legs or Digi Stilts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm fairly confident the Weta Legs were never released to the public. Something about not having enough interest to make it worth their while. On 1/10/2012 2:37 AM, marcwolf.org wrote: > Hi all > > I need to talk to somebody who has brought a pair of these. In essence I > need the measurement of the foot length from the heel to the footplate. > > Many thanks > Marcwolf > > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > > From ysengrin at runningwolfpack.com Tue Jan 10 10:56:15 2012 From: ysengrin at runningwolfpack.com (Ysengrin Blackpaw) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 07:56:15 -0800 Subject: FL: weta Legs or Digi Stilts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F0C5F9F.6060000@runningwolfpack.com> http://area51.co/Digilegs/Welcome-to-Digilegs-the-Original-Reverse-Leg-Stilts.html They weren't released through WETA, but Kim Graham did find (or was approached) by another manufacturer. There's a lot of info on the stilts here: http://coilhouse.net/2010/04/inventorsculptor-kim-grahams-weta-legs/ On 1/10/2012 6:34 AM, Andrew Morton wrote: > I'm fairly confident the Weta Legs were never released to the public. > Something about not having enough interest to make it worth their while. > > On 1/10/2012 2:37 AM, marcwolf.org wrote: >> Hi all >> >> I need to talk to somebody who has brought a pair of these. In essence I >> need the measurement of the foot length from the heel to the footplate. >> >> Many thanks >> Marcwolf -- Ysengrin Blackpaw www.runningwolfpack.com From marcwolf at marcwolf.org Tue Jan 10 17:04:19 2012 From: marcwolf at marcwolf.org (marcwolf.org) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:04:19 +1000 Subject: FL: weta Legs or Digi Stilts In-Reply-To: <4F0C5F9F.6060000@runningwolfpack.com> Message-ID: Hi Folks Yes Yesengrin - I know about the Digilegs from Area51. I've chatted with Kim several times on the difficult journey she has had to get the stilts marketed from Weta's original enthusiasm and then their decision not to market. My own suspisions are that Weta wanted the stilts to use in the Narnia movies and needed Kim's designs. I could ask Kim however from previous conversations with her she has indicated NDA's with Area51 so I will not press her Many thanks Marc > -----Original Message----- > From: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org > [mailto:fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org]On Behalf Of Ysengrin > Blackpaw > Sent: Wednesday, 11 January 2012 01:56 > To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org > Subject: Re: FL: weta Legs or Digi Stilts > > > http://area51.co/Digilegs/Welcome-to-Digilegs-the-Original-Reverse > -Leg-Stilts.html > > They weren't released through WETA, but Kim Graham did find (or was > approached) by another manufacturer. > > There's a lot of info on the stilts here: > http://coilhouse.net/2010/04/inventorsculptor-kim-grahams-weta-legs/ > > On 1/10/2012 6:34 AM, Andrew Morton wrote: > > I'm fairly confident the Weta Legs were never released to the public. > > Something about not having enough interest to make it worth their while. > > > > On 1/10/2012 2:37 AM, marcwolf.org wrote: > >> Hi all > >> > >> I need to talk to somebody who has brought a pair of these. In > essence I > >> need the measurement of the foot length from the heel to the footplate. > >> > >> Many thanks > >> Marcwolf > > -- > Ysengrin Blackpaw > www.runningwolfpack.com > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register From jeffj at panix.com Tue Jan 10 20:38:21 2012 From: jeffj at panix.com (Jeff Jonas) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:38:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: FL: Fursuit-list Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Re: FL: weta Legs or Digi Stilts Marcwolf: > I need to talk to somebody who has brought a pair of these. In essence > I need the measurement of the foot length from the heel to the footplate. Ysengrin Blackpaw: > http://area51.co/Digilegs/Welcome-to-Digilegs-the-Original-Reverse-Leg-Stilts.html > They weren't released through WETA, but Kim Graham did find > (or was approached) by another manufacturer. > There's a lot of info on the stilts here: > http://coilhouse.net/2010/04/inventorsculptor-kim-grahams-weta-legs/ Let's see: my own web page of such stuff http://meep.us/kangoo/ links to Kim Graham http://area51.co/Custom-Digilegs/Digilegs.html as discussed here http://fursuit.livejournal.com/4823586.html and following other links: http://kimgrahamstudios.com/gal-legs.html links to http://kimgrahamstudios.com/gal-legs-recent-news.html -- meJeep deMeep ferret! ~~)=====(:"> From marcwolf at marcwolf.org Tue Jan 10 21:36:35 2012 From: marcwolf at marcwolf.org (David Boccabella) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:36:35 +1000 Subject: FL: weta Legs or Digi Stilts Message-ID: <001201ccd009$d7212b20$85638160$@marcwolf.org> Just for people's interest - here are my stilts in progress. http://www.marcwolf.org/gallery/default.aspx?aid=5 I have completed them (still need to put up the rest of the pictures) I took them down to MidFur 13 last week and wore them around, plus a lot of other folks wanted to try them on. When watching people run around in them it seemed that the angle between the foot-length and the ground was more akin to 30 degrees' rather than the 45 degree's that I have seen in some others. A 60 degree stance seems more appropriate to me.. At the moment the length of my foot section is not adjustable but it will be in a few days, also the actual footplate will be able to have several preset angles (45, 52.5, 60) degrees for adjustments. When I get the right one I will be putting on a larger paw type section with toes that can drop and raise to give a better look when walking. Marc From tycho at ws6transam.org Wed Jan 11 11:10:44 2012 From: tycho at ws6transam.org (Tycho Brahe) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:10:44 -0500 Subject: FL: weta Legs or Digi Stilts In-Reply-To: <001201ccd009$d7212b20$85638160$@marcwolf.org> References: <001201ccd009$d7212b20$85638160$@marcwolf.org> Message-ID: <69236a410036eb53d2c5868f1fb5ceb4.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> I applaud your metal working skills Dave. One thing I was wondering though, is how much to these things weigh? It seems both your set and Area51's are made from mild steel. I'm going to make a wild guess at 11 pounds apiece. Has there been any thought about moving to TIG and doing them in 6061 aluminum? It's machinable , weldable, and quite strong. It'll also cut the weight by about 40%. -Dan From marcwolf at marcwolf.org Thu Jan 12 04:43:45 2012 From: marcwolf at marcwolf.org (marcwolf.org) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:43:45 +1000 Subject: FL: weta Legs or Digi Stilts In-Reply-To: <69236a410036eb53d2c5868f1fb5ceb4.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> Message-ID: Thanks for you kind comments Dan I had a lot of fun making them - my first experiment in using a MIG welder. I believe it is possible to convert my MIG to a TIG by changing the output polarity but that is something I will have to experiment with. I'll have to get back to you re the weight as I am working on them at the moment >From what I have calculated from various articles 1. The stilts raise the wearer up 12 to 14" 2. The angle of the footplate to the footlength is 45 degrees 3. The knee needs to be placed approx over the footplate for balace In these I found that my footlength is currently 15" and needs to be about 19", so I am adding a slidable extension to them. Anyway - I'll keep the maillist posted on the outcome Marc > -----Original Message----- > From: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org > [mailto:fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org]On Behalf Of Tycho Brahe > Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2012 02:11 > To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org > Subject: Re: FL: weta Legs or Digi Stilts > > > I applaud your metal working skills Dave. One thing I was wondering > though, is how much to these things weigh? It seems both your set and > Area51's are made from mild steel. I'm going to make a wild guess at 11 > pounds apiece. Has there been any thought about moving to TIG and doing > them in 6061 aluminum? It's machinable , weldable, and quite strong. It'll > also cut the weight by about 40%. > > -Dan > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register From brandonjheaton at aol.com Sun Jan 15 23:54:41 2012 From: brandonjheaton at aol.com (XxXshrkmanXxX) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 23:54:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: FL: FrankMDamico In-Reply-To: <1325770825.9242.YahooMailNeo@web33905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1325770825.9242.YahooMailNeo@web33905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CEA22217991905-924-BD278@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com> what the heck what? -----Original Message----- From: Aiden Raccoon To: fursuit-list Sent: Thu, Jan 5, 2012 8:41 am Subject: Re: FL: FrankMDamico Do not repost a spam link if you reply. You must delete the spam link first. From: Rylee Logan To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 10:34 PM Subject: Re: FL: FrankMDamico What the heck? _______________________________________________ ______________________________________________ ursuit Mail list. o edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donkeyears at gmail.com Sun Feb 26 10:09:48 2012 From: donkeyears at gmail.com (Donkey) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:09:48 -0600 Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits Message-ID: I am wondering how far this is going. Will we be seeing in a couple of years commonly fursuits that look as if they are truly humanoid animals and quad suits that are almost unidentifiable as fursuit but are mistaken for real animals? Even the toonish suits are sliding towards being more realistic than really truly tooish. Back when I went to my first furcons Rotty my rottweiler fursuit was praised for being such a realistic fursuit and by today's standards it would be called a toonish suit. His Most Royal Highass, Donkey From zennoa at gmail.com Sun Feb 26 10:55:10 2012 From: zennoa at gmail.com (Zennoa Seifert) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:55:10 -0600 Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.lionofthesun.com Not as far off as you'd think. On Feb 26, 2012 9:09 AM, "Donkey" wrote: > I am wondering how far this is going. Will we be seeing in a couple of > years commonly fursuits that look as if they are truly humanoid > animals and quad suits that are almost unidentifiable as fursuit but > are mistaken for real animals? Even the toonish suits are sliding > towards being more realistic than really truly tooish. > > Back when I went to my first furcons Rotty my rottweiler fursuit was > praised for being such a realistic fursuit and by today's standards it > would be called a toonish suit. > > His Most Royal Highass, Donkey > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r.higgins93 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 26 11:11:51 2012 From: r.higgins93 at yahoo.com (ryan higgins) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:11:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1330272711.76714.YahooMailNeo@web112416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> i completely agree, in one way, its pretty cool, but in another way, its making it easier for stereotypers to say that were all just into beastuality ________________________________ From: Donkey To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 10:09 AM Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits I am wondering how far this is going. Will we be seeing in a couple of years commonly fursuits that look as if they are truly humanoid animals and quad suits that are almost unidentifiable as fursuit but are mistaken for real animals? Even the toonish suits are sliding towards being more realistic than really truly tooish. Back when I went to my first furcons Rotty my rottweiler fursuit was praised for being such a realistic fursuit and by today's standards it would be called a toonish suit. His Most Royal Highass, Donkey _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kattywampus at gmail.com Sun Feb 26 12:25:43 2012 From: kattywampus at gmail.com (Kattywampus) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 10:25:43 -0700 Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree with both of you guys. Today's fandom has forgotten its roots for the most part... as far as art and fursuiting is concerned. Fursuits have become the latest fashions, not a character you bring to life. The mention of "mascots", "performance", and "getting into character" causes snickering and comments like "You're way to into this" . Times have changed, and sometimes I wonder what fandom I'm actually in. I'm gonna remain oldschool, though. B3 --CBK From sissyg.evans3 at gmail.com Sun Feb 26 13:14:06 2012 From: sissyg.evans3 at gmail.com (L4dhunter666) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:14:06 -0700 Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9084fc02-19c4-4956-83d4-b24697b02f18@email.android.com> Ok you have a point. -- Sent from my kindle fire with K-9 Mail. From tycho at ws6transam.org Sun Feb 26 12:51:22 2012 From: tycho at ws6transam.org (Tycho Brahe) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 12:51:22 -0500 Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't even have a costume yet, but if I do, one thing I'll personally try to do is draw a clear distinction between the art of fursuiting and what are now stereotypical furry activities. I'm in agreement about trying to use the costume as a way of creating a character; essentially becoming an actor within the fursuit. In terms of realism versus toony, I don't see it as a bad thing: More like a broadening of the spectrum of the art. My costume (which has not been delivered yet) is more realistic in nature but has slightly larger eyes than real life in order to enhance the illusion. My goals are not to necessarily attend furmeets or cons, but to use it in the local public arena, At fairs, parades, special events, etc. Since I've never done anything like this, never met anyone who does this, and never even seen anyone do this before in my community, it's really an undiscovered country with huge, unknown challenges, pitfalls, and rewards. However I will make sure that anyone I meet or interact with knows that a fursuit (which I intentionally call 'costume') does not necessarily mean CSI furry. Sort of like the difference between a gun owner versus an armed bank robber. It's not the tool that makes the person, but how you use it. In terms of direction - Do you really see the realism of the fursuit as a strong trend? ...and which of the commercial costume creators do you see as the principal drivers of this trend? From ricdog at apk.net Sun Feb 26 14:06:41 2012 From: ricdog at apk.net (Ricochet) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:06:41 -0500 Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F4A82C1.8030206@apk.net> Wow wee! Actual chatter from a mailing list. I'd forgotten what genuine chatter was on these lists. Donkey wrote: > I am wondering how far this is going. Will we be seeing in a couple of > years commonly fursuits that look as if they are truly humanoid > animals and quad suits that are almost unidentifiable as fursuit but > are mistaken for real animals? I think it was 10 years ago, there was all sorts of excitement over a real bear suit and a real (abiet GIANT) dog suit. The more real a fursuit gets, I say let it rock. If you want to wear it at a con, so be it. Be the non anthro version of the animal at a con? So be it. I only wish I could get that close. The difference is a personal choice. A lot goes into performing. Say what you will about getting into character, when you put on a costume, you're not exactly who you were. You've "transformed" your look at least, and people are going to see you different. If a quad Old English Sheepdog suit came my way, and it was real looking/seeming down to the ears flopping, eyes moving, tounge panting, I'd play the part with no problem. I wouldn't be talky, popped head at the bar having a beer. I have always wanted to be close to what I am. My Ric O Classic was one of the first with a moveable mouth so I could bark. You can't look back, but you can't be embarrased you're not wearing the latest thing. True humanoid animal fursuits are the next best thing and let you enjoy a little more of the silly because the human side of you can perform as well. I wouldn't be seen with a guitar as a OES, but as an OES Anthro, I'd be working with claws and paws to strum away. This fursuit thing to me has always been about being closer to who I am. If you want to have Jay Leno's garage, only fursuits, so be it. -Ricochet From vitaislade at hotmail.com Sun Feb 26 14:44:52 2012 From: vitaislade at hotmail.com (Vitai Slade) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:44:52 -0500 Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Wait, what? Since when did the art of performance get lost in fursuits? I've not once heard snickers or jabs about being 'too into this' when I play my character. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the entire point of fursuiting? I don't know about you guys, but I get annoyed as hell when I see someone just standing around in fursuit. Contrary to popular belief, not EVERYONE can be a fursuiter, just as not everyone can be a truly wonderful artist. You have to have a passion for acting and entertaining cause that's exactly what fursuiting is. If you are going to just put on a fursuit, stand there, and look pretty, you might as well save your money and buy something else cause in my opinion, it's a waste of fur and space. Just my two cents. The Great White Bengal Tiger, ~Vitai Slade > Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 10:25:43 -0700 > From: kattywampus at gmail.com > To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org > Subject: Re: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits > > I agree with both of you guys. > Today's fandom has forgotten its roots for the most part... as far as > art and fursuiting is concerned. > Fursuits have become the latest fashions, not a character you bring to > life. The mention of "mascots", "performance", and "getting into > character" causes snickering and comments like "You're way to into > this" . > > Times have changed, and sometimes I wonder what fandom I'm actually > in. I'm gonna remain oldschool, though. B3 > > --CBK > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kattywampus at gmail.com Sun Feb 26 15:11:52 2012 From: kattywampus at gmail.com (Kattywampus) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:11:52 -0700 Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Vitai Slade wrote: > Wait, what? Since when did the art of performance get lost in fursuits? I've > not once heard snickers or jabs about being 'too into this' when I play my > character. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the entire point of > fursuiting? I don't know about you guys, but I get annoyed as hell when I > see someone just standing around in fursuit. Contrary to popular belief, not > EVERYONE can be a fursuiter, just as not everyone can be a truly wonderful > artist. You have to have a passion for acting and entertaining cause that's > exactly what fursuiting is. If you are going to just put on a fursuit, stand > there, and look pretty, you might as well save your money and buy something > else cause in my opinion, it's a waste of fur and space. Just my two cents. > > The Great White Bengal Tiger, > ~Vitai Slade Vitai, You and I are two peas in a pod, kitty. But I swear I've heard it with my own ears. I made a comment about people standing around wearing expensive rugs, and was met with the kinds of comments I mentioned. On multiple occasions. I've also heard furries complain about "performing" for curious onlookers while we were on an outing in public. "This is MY suit. I'm not wearing it for them. They should mind their own business" etc. I'm telling you, times are changing. And attitudes like this is why people's minds wander about what we're doing in these costumes. But seriously, I 100% agree with all of your opinions. M'yow, --CBK From superhedgie at googlemail.com Sun Feb 26 16:16:49 2012 From: superhedgie at googlemail.com (H T Hog) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 21:16:49 -0000 Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits References: Message-ID: <4B32C8E0C9204AD081BD1A7F17D72C3B@kickass> My 2nd suit, which is still being built, has been designed by me to look halfway between toony and realistic. It's very manga inspired, with the idea for it to look truely anthro, rather than an animal standing up. Regarding the performance part, as a trained actor and dancer, I know all about how to look and move when in costume. I don't like going to cons without a suit, since I feel I can't get fully into the spirit of the convention without the full experience. I've been criticised for this myself, having been told "You don't need a suit to enjoy the con." Well for me, I do. I love being in the FVS (Or FNL as it's called), and I adore all the dances, and never go to them unsuited. Blaster Hedgie > Wait, what? Since when did the art of performance get lost in fursuits? > I've > not once heard snickers or jabs about being 'too into this' when I play my > character. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the entire point of > fursuiting? I don't know about you guys, but I get annoyed as hell when I > see someone just standing around in fursuit. Contrary to popular belief, > not > EVERYONE can be a fursuiter, just as not everyone can be a truly wonderful > artist. You have to have a passion for acting and entertaining cause > that's > exactly what fursuiting is. If you are going to just put on a fursuit, > stand > there, and look pretty, you might as well save your money and buy > something > else cause in my opinion, it's a waste of fur and space. Just my two > cents. > > The Great White Bengal Tiger, > ~Vitai Slade ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donkey" To: Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 3:09 PM Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits >I am wondering how far this is going. Will we be seeing in a couple of > years commonly fursuits that look as if they are truly humanoid > animals and quad suits that are almost unidentifiable as fursuit but > are mistaken for real animals? Even the toonish suits are sliding > towards being more realistic than really truly tooish. > > Back when I went to my first furcons Rotty my rottweiler fursuit was > praised for being such a realistic fursuit and by today's standards it > would be called a toonish suit. > > His Most Royal Highass, Donkey > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register From mushi_love at yahoo.com Sun Feb 26 16:51:09 2012 From: mushi_love at yahoo.com (Mushi Magic) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:51:09 -0700 Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits In-Reply-To: <4B32C8E0C9204AD081BD1A7F17D72C3B@kickass> References: <4B32C8E0C9204AD081BD1A7F17D72C3B@kickass> Message-ID: <4F4AA94D.3020600@yahoo.com> I love the humanoid furry look. It's my specialty actually, something that looks like a blend of human and animal, short muzzles and even proportions. Everyone has their preferences and there is no reason why difference in style should be viewed as destructive to a group that is supposedly about self expression. Change is to be expected, especially as the fandom grows but the truly vibrant performers will always stand out and be the focal point of events. A boring person in an animal costume is still boring. ^^ -MushiMagic On 2/26/2012 2:16 PM, H T Hog wrote: > My 2nd suit, which is still being built, has been designed by me to > look halfway between toony and realistic. It's very manga inspired, > with the idea for it to look truely anthro, rather than an animal > standing up. > > Regarding the performance part, as a trained actor and dancer, I know > all about how to look and move when in costume. I don't like going to > cons without a suit, since I feel I can't get fully into the spirit of > the convention without the full experience. I've been criticised for > this myself, having been told "You don't need a suit to enjoy the > con." Well for me, I do. I love being in the FVS (Or FNL as it's > called), and I adore all the dances, and never go to them unsuited. > > Blaster Hedgie > >> Wait, what? Since when did the art of performance get lost in >> fursuits? I've >> not once heard snickers or jabs about being 'too into this' when I >> play my >> character. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the entire point of >> fursuiting? I don't know about you guys, but I get annoyed as hell >> when I >> see someone just standing around in fursuit. Contrary to popular >> belief, not >> EVERYONE can be a fursuiter, just as not everyone can be a truly >> wonderful >> artist. You have to have a passion for acting and entertaining cause >> that's >> exactly what fursuiting is. If you are going to just put on a >> fursuit, stand >> there, and look pretty, you might as well save your money and buy >> something >> else cause in my opinion, it's a waste of fur and space. Just my two >> cents. >> >> The Great White Bengal Tiger, >> ~Vitai Slade > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donkey" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 3:09 PM > Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits > > >> I am wondering how far this is going. Will we be seeing in a couple of >> years commonly fursuits that look as if they are truly humanoid >> animals and quad suits that are almost unidentifiable as fursuit but >> are mistaken for real animals? Even the toonish suits are sliding >> towards being more realistic than really truly tooish. >> >> Back when I went to my first furcons Rotty my rottweiler fursuit was >> praised for being such a realistic fursuit and by today's standards it >> would be called a toonish suit. >> >> His Most Royal Highass, Donkey >> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Fursuit Mail list. >> To edit your subscription, visit: >> http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register From seaweed at seaweedotter.com Sun Feb 26 18:53:16 2012 From: seaweed at seaweedotter.com (seaweed) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:53:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits In-Reply-To: <4F4AA94D.3020600@yahoo.com> References: <4B32C8E0C9204AD081BD1A7F17D72C3B@kickass> <4F4AA94D.3020600@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3ed8b6a1a576ddffadb31d6b116c3f37.squirrel@webmail.gushi.org> I am a little conflicted. On one side, I do hate that fursuits just seem to be 'how much money can I spend to make some nice eye candy?' But on the other hand, I hate the idea that I always have to be "performing" when I am in suit. I like just "standing around" while in suit, hanging out with friends. Why? Because my suit is like me, it is just a furrier extension of my own personality, So if I want to stand around and hang with my friends, it could be in, or out of my suit. I am not wearing my suit for other people, I am wearing it for myself, and no one else. So I am not going to perform for others, I an going to do what I want to in it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On one side, I do hate that fursuits just seem > to be 'how much money can I spend to make some nice eye candy?' > But on the other hand, I hate the idea that I always have to be > "performing" when I am in suit. I like just "standing around" while in > suit, hanging out with friends. Why? Because my suit is like me, it is just > a furrier extension of my own personality, So if I want to stand around and > hang with my friends, it could be in, or out of my suit. > I am not wearing my suit for other people, I am wearing it for myself, and > no one else. So I am not going to perform for others, I an going to do what > I want to in it. > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From r.higgins93 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 26 23:32:47 2012 From: r.higgins93 at yahoo.com (ryan higgins) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:32:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: FL: Todays fursuits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1330317167.55216.YahooMailNeo@web112416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> not too sure, but id thinkl they think that because its less "cartoony" ive read alot of messages that ppl have said most and almost all have the big cartoony heads, they see it as different than usual ________________________________ From: sckrabei2 To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 11:27 PM Subject: FL: Todays fursuits Well, for a long time i have thought that fursuits in general had bigger heads than they actually are. Without using the excuse that the character is supposed to be huminoid is is it possible that the fandom has delibrately used this really slim body and way to small head to make up for the lack of body pods etc... I would dearly like your thoughts on why is a smaller mascot hybrid not classified as a true fursuit:-) Stirring the pot, Hugs, Snoutwhistle the cyber snugglebunny!!! Adelaide, Australia. Sent from Samsung tablet _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skippy at sk1p.com Mon Feb 27 09:16:46 2012 From: skippy at sk1p.com (Zack F) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 09:16:46 -0500 Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits In-Reply-To: References: <4B32C8E0C9204AD081BD1A7F17D72C3B@kickass> <4F4AA94D.3020600@yahoo.com> <3ed8b6a1a576ddffadb31d6b116c3f37.squirrel@webmail.gushi.org> Message-ID: <4F4B904E.3000500@sk1p.com> I still see more toony suits than realistic suits at cons. But if there was a trend moving toward realistic suits, so what? I also fail to see how someone can make the connection between "more realistic fursuits" and "sex". A realistic fursuit is no more of a sex toy than a toony one. You can voice your concerns about public perception or misrepresentation of the fandom, but blaming it on a random trend (if it even exists) comes off as radical "think of the children" paranoia. --skippy On 2/26/2012 7:51 PM, Fuzzy Roo wrote: > > To be honest: I don't really care what direction the art is going. > Just the fact that there are so many different suits out now is a > wonderful thing. > > Art is always subjective on an individual bases. So really, there is > no right or wrong. > > Posted with HTC Droid phone...damn you auto correct! > > On Feb 26, 2012 6:19 PM, "seaweed" > wrote: > > I am a little conflicted. On one side, I do hate that fursuits > just seem to be 'how much money can I spend to make some nice eye > candy?' > But on the other hand, I hate the idea that I always have to be > "performing" when I am in suit. I like just "standing around" > while in suit, hanging out with friends. Why? Because my suit is > like me, it is just a furrier extension of my own personality, So > if I want to stand around and hang with my friends, it could be > in, or out of my suit. > I am not wearing my suit for other people, I am wearing it for > myself, and no one else. So I am not going to perform for others, > I an going to do what I want to in it. > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > > > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From warlovingfurry at yahoo.com Mon Feb 27 10:37:57 2012 From: warlovingfurry at yahoo.com (Killre Wolfen) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:37:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits In-Reply-To: <4F4B904E.3000500@sk1p.com> References: <4B32C8E0C9204AD081BD1A7F17D72C3B@kickass> <4F4AA94D.3020600@yahoo.com> <3ed8b6a1a576ddffadb31d6b116c3f37.squirrel@webmail.gushi.org> <4F4B904E.3000500@sk1p.com> Message-ID: <1330357077.27398.YahooMailNeo@web125101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> the way i see it is as long as you have a suit and can have fun does it matter From: Zack F To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: Re: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits I still see more toony suits than realistic suits at cons. But if there was a trend moving toward realistic suits, so what? I also fail to see how someone can make the connection between "more realistic fursuits" and "sex". A realistic fursuit is no more of a sex toy than a toony one. You can voice your concerns about public perception or misrepresentation of the fandom, but blaming it on a random trend (if it even exists) comes off as radical "think of the children" paranoia. --skippy On 2/26/2012 7:51 PM, Fuzzy Roo wrote: To be honest:? I don't really care what direction the art is going.? Just the fact that there are so many different suits out now is a wonderful thing. >Art is always subjective on an individual bases.? So really, there is no right or wrong. >Posted with HTC Droid phone...damn you auto correct! >On Feb 26, 2012 6:19 PM, "seaweed" wrote: > >I am a little conflicted. On one side, I do hate that fursuits just seem to be 'how much money can I spend to make some nice eye candy?' >>But on the other hand, I hate the idea that I always have to be "performing" when I am in suit. I like just "standing around" while in suit, hanging out with friends. Why? Because my suit is like me, it is just a furrier extension of my own personality, So if I want to stand around and hang with my friends, it could be in, or out of my suit. >>I am not wearing my suit for other people, I am wearing it for myself, and no one else. So I am not going to perform for others, I an going to do what I want to in it. >>_______________________________________________ >>_______________________________________________ >>Fursuit Mail list. >>To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >> > > >_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greenreaper at hotmail.com Mon Feb 27 15:46:32 2012 From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (Laurence Parry) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:46:32 -0600 Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Contrary to popular belief, not EVERYONE can be a fursuiter, just as > not everyone can be a truly wonderful artist. You have to have a passion > for acting and entertaining cause that's exactly what fursuiting is. > ----- > Today's fandom has forgotten its roots for the most part... as far as > art and fursuiting is concerned. Fursuits have become the latest fashions, > not a character you bring to life. I agree with the idea that the role of fursuits has changed (or diversified), but not the implication that it's a bad thing. Just as people have different motivations for being in the fandom, they have different motivations for wearing a fursuit. seaweed's post is an excellent example of this. Whether we reserve "fursuiter" for those who intend to perform is debatable - after all, what if you have therianthropic tendencies? You may be "trying to get into character", but not for anyone else's benefit. Either way, the change is not likely to stop. Research suggests that around 45% of furries and almost 60% of therians want to own a fursuit - not including the ~13% who already do: http://www.flayrah.com/3841/mixed-venue-survey-delineates-furries-therians-otherkin I strongly doubt that the sole motivation of these people is to perform; it may also not be their primary motivation. For therians, there is an obvious goal - becoming closer to the physical form of the animal which they feel spiritually connected to. For furries, a fursuit is a form of identity, like con badge visible from fifty paces. It can be a way of interacting with people who would otherwise treat you differently because of your sex or race. And of course it can be used as a pure fashion accessory; a form of conspicuous consumption. Around 70% of furries own accessories such as ears or tails, and I suspect that if the price of a full fursuit dropped to the level of an accessory, we'd see at least 60% of furs owning one - though given baggage fees, they might not all get brought to conventions. > You and I are two peas in a pod, kitty. But I swear I've heard it > with my own ears. I made a comment about people standing around > wearing expensive rugs, and was met with the kinds of comments I > mentioned. Well, in fairness, you were kinda insulting them. ;-) More to the point, a fursuit can still be appreciated by others as artwork. Tapestries are just expensive rugs, yet we value them. As a photographer, I prefer to take action shots, but even a static shot can be nice to have as long as it's of something pretty. > Even the toonish suits are sliding towards being more realistic > than really truly tooish. > ------ > In terms of direction - Do you really see the realism of the fursuit as a > strong trend? ...and which of the commercial costume creators do you see > as the principal drivers of this trend? I'd say fursuits nowadays tend to be more *detailed* than those we've seen in the past. There are plenty of possible reasons for this - a desire for individuality and a close representation of a character, the growing ability of fursuit makers to meet the challenges of realistic fursuits, the fact that fursuits are almost always seen at close range, unlike (say) mascots, . . . Cartoons are cartoony because they have to be quick to draw and easy to see on a fuzzy screen. Costumes of cartoons need to match the characters. However, furry characters span the range of tooniness, so we should expect fursuits to match that. > I also fail to see how someone can make the connection between > "more realistic fursuits" and "sex". A realistic fursuit is no more of > a sex toy than a toony one. I think there's a far clearer link between "people who use fursuits as part of their identity" and "sex". Indeed, the one person I know who does have sex in their fursuit explained that they wanted to feel themselves while doing it (they were a lifestyler who also spent a lot of time in suit around the house, at restaurants, etc.). The only reason tooniness might matter is if toonier suits are more often used for performance rather than identity - which might be the case, but probably isn't a strong factor. -- Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry http://greenreaper.co.uk - http://wikifur.com - http://flayrah.com "Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?" From kattywampus at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 15:59:43 2012 From: kattywampus at gmail.com (Kattywampus) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:59:43 -0700 Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Laurence Parry wrote: > Well, in fairness, you were kinda insulting them. ;-) Now, obviously I didn't say it to anyone's face, or about any certain person in particular. Just like how this whole discussion didn't name any names. It was basically a verbal version of this email discussion, except it took place 2 years ago. I was talking to non-suited fursuiters and random other furries. --CBK From fuzzyroo at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 16:01:00 2012 From: fuzzyroo at gmail.com (Fuzzy Roo) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:01:00 -0600 Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Boosh, there it is. Well played Laurence. A little addition to the sexual part of the discussion: A major part (if not the only part) to being a member of living organisims is reproduction. It's natural, and a lot of the time "good". Being human is the biggest kinky deviance of all time. Fursuits really don't do any thing out of the ordinary, even if they are being ordained for sexual fantasy. What I'm saying is that, as furries, as homosapians, as biology, we should all be more accepting of individual sexuality (within legal limits and reason, of course), and not pretend it never happens. I've found that denying out right increases suspition of further deviance. But acknowledging it happens not more or less often than normal, people shrug shoulders, and go about their buisiness. So yeah. Being a fur / fursuiter shouldn't force anoyone to be a prude or into uncomfortable situations. Ok, enough fuzzy-wisdom...I need sleep! Posted with HTC Droid phone...damn you auto correct! On Feb 27, 2012 2:47 PM, "Laurence Parry" wrote: > Contrary to popular belief, not EVERYONE can be a fursuiter, just as >> not everyone can be a truly wonderful artist. You have to have a passion >> for acting and entertaining cause that's exactly what fursuiting is. >> ----- >> Today's fandom has forgotten its roots for the most part... as far as >> art and fursuiting is concerned. Fursuits have become the latest fashions, >> not a character you bring to life. >> > > I agree with the idea that the role of fursuits has changed (or > diversified), but not the implication that it's a bad thing. Just as people > have different motivations for being in the fandom, they have different > motivations for wearing a fursuit. seaweed's post is an excellent example > of this. > > Whether we reserve "fursuiter" for those who intend to perform is > debatable - after all, what if you have therianthropic tendencies? You may > be "trying to get into character", but not for anyone else's benefit. > > Either way, the change is not likely to stop. Research suggests that > around 45% of furries and almost 60% of therians want > to own a fursuit - not including the ~13% who already do: > http://www.flayrah.com/3841/**mixed-venue-survey-delineates-** > furries-therians-otherkin > > I strongly doubt that the sole motivation of these people is to perform; > it may also not be their primary motivation. > > For therians, there is an obvious goal - becoming closer to the physical > form of the animal which they feel spiritually connected to. For furries, a > fursuit is a form of identity, like con badge visible from fifty paces. It > can be a way of interacting with people who would otherwise treat you > differently because of your sex or race. And of course it can be used as a > pure fashion accessory; a form of conspicuous consumption. > > Around 70% of furries own accessories such as ears or tails, and I suspect > that if the price of a full fursuit dropped to the level of an accessory, > we'd see at least 60% of furs owning one - though given baggage fees, they > might not all get brought to conventions. > > You and I are two peas in a pod, kitty. But I swear I've heard it >> with my own ears. I made a comment about people standing around >> wearing expensive rugs, and was met with the kinds of comments I >> mentioned. >> > > Well, in fairness, you were kinda insulting them. ;-) > > More to the point, a fursuit can still be appreciated by others as > artwork. Tapestries are just expensive rugs, yet we value them. As a > photographer, I prefer to take action shots, but even a static shot can be > nice to have as long as it's of something pretty. > > Even the toonish suits are sliding towards being more realistic >> than really truly tooish. >> ------ >> In terms of direction - Do you really see the realism of the fursuit as a >> strong trend? ...and which of the commercial costume creators do you see >> as the principal drivers of this trend? >> > > I'd say fursuits nowadays tend to be more *detailed* than those we've seen > in the past. There are plenty of possible reasons for this - a desire for > individuality and a close representation of a character, the growing > ability of fursuit makers to meet the challenges of realistic fursuits, the > fact that fursuits are almost always seen at close range, unlike (say) > mascots, . . . > > Cartoons are cartoony because they have to be quick to draw and easy to > see on a fuzzy screen. Costumes of cartoons need to match the characters. > However, furry characters span the range of tooniness, so we should expect > fursuits to match that. > > I also fail to see how someone can make the connection between >> "more realistic fursuits" and "sex". A realistic fursuit is no more of >> a sex toy than a toony one. >> > > I think there's a far clearer link between "people who use fursuits as > part of their identity" and "sex". Indeed, the one person I know who does > have sex in their fursuit explained that they wanted to feel themselves > while doing it (they were a lifestyler who also spent a lot of time in suit > around the house, at restaurants, etc.). > > The only reason tooniness might matter is if toonier suits are more often > used for performance rather than identity - which might be the case, but > probably isn't a strong factor. > > -- > Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry > http://greenreaper.co.uk - http://wikifur.com - http://flayrah.com > "Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?" > ______________________________**_________________ > ______________________________**_________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_** > mailman_register > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kattywampus at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 16:44:10 2012 From: kattywampus at gmail.com (Kattywampus) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:44:10 -0700 Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Fuzzy Roo wrote: > A little addition to the sexual part of the discussion: > > A major part (if not the only part) to being a member of living organisims > is reproduction.? It's natural, and a lot of the time "good".? Being human > is the biggest kinky deviance of all time.? Fursuits really don't do any > thing out of the ordinary, even if they are being ordained for sexual > fantasy. > > What I'm saying is that, as furries, as homosapians, as biology, we should > all be more accepting of individual sexuality (within legal limits and > reason, of course), and not pretend it never happens.? I've found that > denying out right increases suspition of further deviance.? But > acknowledging it happens not more or less often than normal, people shrug > shoulders, and go about their buisiness. > > So yeah.? Being a fur / fursuiter shouldn't force anoyone to be a prude or > into uncomfortable situations. Sup, FuzzyRoo! Long time, no type! My official stance on murrsuits is this.. I don't care if people bonk in their rugs. That's their business, and adults have been playing naughty dress-up since the fig leaf. You're right, though.. acting like there's no WAY it happens makes it look like we're hiding something. What DOES irk me, though, is when obvious yiff-suits are walking around interacting with the general public. Also.. idk how we got to this part of this.. but yeah. High on fumes at work, --CBK From kmartassassin at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 18:12:49 2012 From: kmartassassin at gmail.com (Jesse) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:12:49 -0600 Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits Message-ID: <9gnol5ami9bj3tqr68k6x5b2.1330384369077@email.android.com> We aren't all performers, just cause they aren't bouncing around in a 100? rug doesn't make it unmeaningful. Sent from my Samsung smartphone on AT&T Kattywampus wrote: >On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Fuzzy Roo wrote: >> A little addition to the sexual part of the discussion: >> >> A major part (if not the only part) to being a member of living organisims >> is reproduction.? It's natural, and a lot of the time "good".? Being human >> is the biggest kinky deviance of all time.? Fursuits really don't do any >> thing out of the ordinary, even if they are being ordained for sexual >> fantasy. >> >> What I'm saying is that, as furries, as homosapians, as biology, we should >> all be more accepting of individual sexuality (within legal limits and >> reason, of course), and not pretend it never happens.? I've found that >> denying out right increases suspition of further deviance.? But >> acknowledging it happens not more or less often than normal, people shrug >> shoulders, and go about their buisiness. >> >> So yeah.? Being a fur / fursuiter shouldn't force anoyone to be a prude or >> into uncomfortable situations. > >Sup, FuzzyRoo! Long time, no type! > >My official stance on murrsuits is this.. >I don't care if people bonk in their rugs. That's their business, and >adults have been playing naughty dress-up since the fig leaf. You're >right, though.. acting like there's no WAY it happens makes it look >like we're hiding something. > >What DOES irk me, though, is when obvious yiff-suits are walking >around interacting with the general public. > >Also.. idk how we got to this part of this.. but yeah. > >High on fumes at work, > >--CBK >_______________________________________________ >_______________________________________________ >Fursuit Mail list. >To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register From fuzzyroo at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 18:19:03 2012 From: fuzzyroo at gmail.com (Fuzzy Roo) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:19:03 -0600 Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yo and hi :3 You get a problem, though. Some furs have inter-changable parts, like multiple copies of the same body. That, and good fursuit cleaning and general hyginie should be top priority regardless of use. Physically, if you wear a suit through public transportation, it winds up just as dirty, if not more, than anything to can do with a 20/20 report black light, lol. But seriously: for all uses, wolight wash, anti bacta spray, body scent spray + deoderant. Posted with HTC Droid phone...damn you auto correct! On Feb 27, 2012 3:44 PM, "Kattywampus" wrote: > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Fuzzy Roo wrote: > > A little addition to the sexual part of the discussion: > > > > A major part (if not the only part) to being a member of living > organisims > > is reproduction. It's natural, and a lot of the time "good". Being > human > > is the biggest kinky deviance of all time. Fursuits really don't do any > > thing out of the ordinary, even if they are being ordained for sexual > > fantasy. > > > > What I'm saying is that, as furries, as homosapians, as biology, we > should > > all be more accepting of individual sexuality (within legal limits and > > reason, of course), and not pretend it never happens. I've found that > > denying out right increases suspition of further deviance. But > > acknowledging it happens not more or less often than normal, people shrug > > shoulders, and go about their buisiness. > > > > So yeah. Being a fur / fursuiter shouldn't force anoyone to be a prude > or > > into uncomfortable situations. > > Sup, FuzzyRoo! Long time, no type! > > My official stance on murrsuits is this.. > I don't care if people bonk in their rugs. That's their business, and > adults have been playing naughty dress-up since the fig leaf. You're > right, though.. acting like there's no WAY it happens makes it look > like we're hiding something. > > What DOES irk me, though, is when obvious yiff-suits are walking > around interacting with the general public. > > Also.. idk how we got to this part of this.. but yeah. > > High on fumes at work, > > --CBK > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aucune at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 18:42:55 2012 From: aucune at gmail.com (Benoit Houle) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 23:42:55 +0000 Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits In-Reply-To: <4F4B904E.3000500@sk1p.com> References: <4B32C8E0C9204AD081BD1A7F17D72C3B@kickass> <4F4AA94D.3020600@yahoo.com> <3ed8b6a1a576ddffadb31d6b116c3f37.squirrel@webmail.gushi.org> <4F4B904E.3000500@sk1p.com> Message-ID: <813617692-1330386179-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1116387029-@b1.c21.bise6.blackberry> Personnally I think the realistic suit = made for sex connection to be fallacious. A lot of 'adult' suit and 'modified' plushy are toonis in nature. (Not that I own or use either, but I know people who do, to each his own) I shared the common sentiment of this list the more suits the better, partial ; full etc... Toony or not I welcome the increase in suiters Benoit Houle (via Talmak's Crackberry ) [aucune at gmail.com] -----Original Message----- From: Zack F Sender: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 09:16:46 To: Reply-To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Subject: Re: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register From marcwolf at marcwolf.org Mon Feb 27 19:38:01 2012 From: marcwolf at marcwolf.org (David Boccabella) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:38:01 +1000 Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits In-Reply-To: <813617692-1330386179-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1116387029-@b1.c21.bise6.blackberry> References: <4B32C8E0C9204AD081BD1A7F17D72C3B@kickass> <4F4AA94D.3020600@yahoo.com> <3ed8b6a1a576ddffadb31d6b116c3f37.squirrel@webmail.gushi.org> <4F4B904E.3000500@sk1p.com> <813617692-1330386179-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1116387029-@b1.c21.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <00f801ccf5b1$3cdb18f0$b6914ad0$@marcwolf.org> As a therio myself I have fitted in with the furry scene very well. However to me my suit is a way to bring my wolven side into this world. As such I have made him to be as realistic as possible (and continue to do so with animatronics etc). When I wear him I can be comic if I want to.. but other times I just want to relax in a form that to myself - is the real me. Interacting with people as an intelligent being and not some childish characture As for genitaila and it's functionability - yes I would like to have that on my suit but only for the completeness of the illusion. I am lupine and so I feel that the form of my male parts be simular in construction. Wether I use them for purely eliminatory purposes or further is entirely up to me. Not that I would got out of my way to alienate myself to the public But if someone was standing next to me when I was at a rest stop then if they looked what I hope they would see would just increase the realism. I suppose another way to look at it is this. If a spaceship landed and the occupants were anthrowolf in shape and civilised - how would they react in public. As civilised beings having dignity.. or comic clowns. Just my viewpoint Marc From aucune at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 20:05:13 2012 From: aucune at gmail.com (Benoit Houle) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 01:05:13 +0000 Subject: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits In-Reply-To: <00f801ccf5b1$3cdb18f0$b6914ad0$@marcwolf.org> References: <4B32C8E0C9204AD081BD1A7F17D72C3B@kickass> <4F4AA94D.3020600@yahoo.com> <3ed8b6a1a576ddffadb31d6b116c3f37.squirrel@webmail.gushi.org> <4F4B904E.3000500@sk1p.com> <813617692-1330386179-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1116387029-@b1.c21.bise6.blackberry> <00f801ccf5b1$3cdb18f0$b6914ad0$@marcwolf.org> Message-ID: <1091213688-1330391114-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1073883780-@b1.c21.bise6.blackberry> I agree with you totally, While I am not sure I an therian, Owl for me is a totem and spirit companion and guide and has been so for roughly 30 years... As such I too want my owl suit to be as realistic as possible ; I however have other toonier suit I wear and have fun in it too.... But then for me ; it is the owl in me that disguise him/itself :)) Benoit Houle (via Talmak's Crackberry ) [aucune at gmail.com] -----Original Message----- From: "David Boccabella" Sender: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:38:01 To: Reply-To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Subject: Re: FL: realistic fursuits and the direction of today's fursuits As a therio myself I have fitted in with the furry scene very well. However to me my suit is a way to bring my wolven side into this world. As such I have made him to be as realistic as possible (and continue to do so with animatronics etc). When I wear him I can be comic if I want to.. but other times I just want to relax in a form that to myself - is the real me. Interacting with people as an intelligent being and not some childish characture As for genitaila and it's functionability - yes I would like to have that on my suit but only for the completeness of the illusion. I am lupine and so I feel that the form of my male parts be simular in construction. Wether I use them for purely eliminatory purposes or further is entirely up to me. Not that I would got out of my way to alienate myself to the public But if someone was standing next to me when I was at a rest stop then if they looked what I hope they would see would just increase the realism. I suppose another way to look at it is this. If a spaceship landed and the occupants were anthrowolf in shape and civilised - how would they react in public. As civilised beings having dignity.. or comic clowns. Just my viewpoint Marc _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register From thekayakingfox at hotmail.com Mon Mar 5 23:35:44 2012 From: thekayakingfox at hotmail.com (Andrew Morton) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 20:35:44 -0800 Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events Message-ID: I'm planning and hoping to put together a fursuit bowling event in my area. The problem I am running into is how to go about contacting bowling centers without sounding sketchy and up to no good. Anyone have suggestions so we don't surprise/upset anyone or make trouble? Keep in mind, the area I live in has scarcely even heard of furries. From musicofluie at hotmail.com Mon Mar 5 23:40:32 2012 From: musicofluie at hotmail.com (Thalia Herrera) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 23:40:32 -0500 Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Andrew I'd be very interested in going and Bizbone on FA may be able to help you contact a bowling alley. :) he's set up a bowling meet before! I would also like to know what area will this be in? Since I'm in the coral gables area of Miami. :) thank you! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2012, at 11:37 PM, "Andrew Morton" wrote: > I'm planning and hoping to put together a fursuit bowling event in my area. The problem I am running into is how to go about contacting bowling centers without sounding sketchy and up to no good. Anyone have suggestions so we don't surprise/upset anyone or make trouble? > > Keep in mind, the area I live in has scarcely even heard of furries. > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register From YappyFox at thefoxden.com Tue Mar 6 00:10:48 2012 From: YappyFox at thefoxden.com (YappyFox at thefoxden.com) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 00:10:48 -0500 Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44323156-D223-423F-B263-9A4278B50011@thefoxden.com> call them up, and tell them what you want to do. here is how I've approached it? "A group of mascots are out having a get together for fun. they are not for any particular company, but freelance performers who do things for private parties and charities, and they get together every once in a while to have retriets and some fun." Things you need to ask the alley: Are they ok with the mascots using their own feet. Many lanes have strict policies that may not allow it. bring a fursuit foot to the lane in question and show it to them, to show that it's a slick surface (generally carpet bottom paws are good for this.. do not show them a paw with a rubber sole) Find out what the group rate is.. try to get a flat rate per hour rather then per frame.. Suiters are chaotic in bowling, and skipping/changing lineup/etc makes it hard to keep frames bowled straight Do they have a party room of some sorts, that has a private from public view, to be used as a headless lounge? Will they supply water for the suiters? Another thing that ticks off the lanes is when you have 10 suiters show up to play, and 30 people out of suit that don't pay to bowl, but want to just watch.. This is bad tact, and won't make friends with the lane management. you might want to make a policy of if people are going.. even if they don't want to bowl, pay into whatever the group rate is. and another thing that seems to be the biggest faux paux of most bowling events, and has gotten groups kicked out and banned from bowling events? and I am not trying to start a flame with this, but I have seen it happen a couple times already.. Bowling tends to be a family, and "redneck" type event. They do not take kindly to alternative life styles. Do not gay pride the event, dry hump, grope, kiss face, etc, etc at the lanes.. parents with kids and right wing league players may complain to the manegement, and you will get banned. You should treat this as if you are performing in an elementary school.. all eyes are on you in fursuit, and you need to keep your actions to G rating. If you don't look "wholesome" to the lanes, where they are not afraid of you interacting with the kids in the lanes, you will be fine.. but you won't get very far when they fear letting kids go visit the two dogs that were "humping" on the lane. On Mar 5, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Andrew Morton wrote: > I'm planning and hoping to put together a fursuit bowling event in my area. The problem I am running into is how to go about contacting bowling centers without sounding sketchy and up to no good. Anyone have suggestions so we don't surprise/upset anyone or make trouble? > > Keep in mind, the area I live in has scarcely even heard of furries. > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register From blinx.spark at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 01:01:05 2012 From: blinx.spark at gmail.com (Blinx Spark) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 23:01:05 -0700 Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events In-Reply-To: <44323156-D223-423F-B263-9A4278B50011@thefoxden.com> References: <44323156-D223-423F-B263-9A4278B50011@thefoxden.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Yappyfox My friends have had events at skateland, and we had to do the same kind of thing. But, the trick is, if there are gropes, dont make them a big deal. Sure we got the occasional raised eyebrow, but its like being at school, try to act normal when texting in class. Being one without a suit brought attention when I was kissed or groped, but I acted normal and just laughed it out. Best Regards, Blinx the Golden Retriever On Mar 5, 2012 10:47 PM, wrote: > call them up, and tell them what you want to do. here is how I've > approached it? > > "A group of mascots are out having a get together for fun. they are not > for any particular company, but freelance performers who do things for > private parties and charities, and they get together every once in a while > to have retriets and some fun." > > Things you need to ask the alley: > > Are they ok with the mascots using their own feet. Many lanes have strict > policies that may not allow it. bring a fursuit foot to the lane in > question and show it to them, to show that it's a slick surface (generally > carpet bottom paws are good for this.. do not show them a paw with a > rubber sole) > > Find out what the group rate is.. try to get a flat rate per hour rather > then per frame.. Suiters are chaotic in bowling, and skipping/changing > lineup/etc makes it hard to keep frames bowled straight > > Do they have a party room of some sorts, that has a private from public > view, to be used as a headless lounge? > > Will they supply water for the suiters? > > Another thing that ticks off the lanes is when you have 10 suiters show up > to play, and 30 people out of suit that don't pay to bowl, but want to just > watch.. This is bad tact, and won't make friends with the lane > management. you might want to make a policy of if people are going.. even > if they don't want to bowl, pay into whatever the group rate is. > > and another thing that seems to be the biggest faux paux of most bowling > events, and has gotten groups kicked out and banned from bowling events? > and I am not trying to start a flame with this, but I have seen it happen > a couple times already.. > > Bowling tends to be a family, and "redneck" type event. They do not take > kindly to alternative life styles. Do not gay pride the event, dry hump, > grope, kiss face, etc, etc at the lanes.. parents with kids and right wing > league players may complain to the manegement, and you will get banned. > You should treat this as if you are performing in an elementary school.. > all eyes are on you in fursuit, and you need to keep your actions to G > rating. If you don't look "wholesome" to the lanes, where they are not > afraid of you interacting with the kids in the lanes, you will be fine.. > but you won't get very far when they fear letting kids go visit the two > dogs that were "humping" on the lane. > > > On Mar 5, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Andrew Morton wrote: > > > I'm planning and hoping to put together a fursuit bowling event in my > area. The problem I am running into is how to go about contacting bowling > centers without sounding sketchy and up to no good. Anyone have > suggestions so we don't surprise/upset anyone or make trouble? > > > > Keep in mind, the area I live in has scarcely even heard of furries. > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > Fursuit Mail list. > > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skippy at sk1p.com Tue Mar 6 08:09:15 2012 From: skippy at sk1p.com (=?utf-8?B?WmFjayBG?=) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 08:09:15 -0500 Subject: FL: =?utf-8?q?Organizing_public_fursuit_events?= Message-ID: Some alleys might not mind watchers if it means more sales at the bar and concession area. That might be another good thing to ask them. --skippy ----- Reply message ----- From: YappyFox at thefoxden.com To: Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events Date: Tue, Mar 6, 2012 12:10 am call them up, and tell them what you want to do. here is how I've approached it? "A group of mascots are out having a get together for fun. they are not for any particular company, but freelance performers who do things for private parties and charities, and they get together every once in a while to have retriets and some fun." Things you need to ask the alley: Are they ok with the mascots using their own feet. Many lanes have strict policies that may not allow it. bring a fursuit foot to the lane in question and show it to them, to show that it's a slick surface (generally carpet bottom paws are good for this.. do not show them a paw with a rubber sole) Find out what the group rate is.. try to get a flat rate per hour rather then per frame.. Suiters are chaotic in bowling, and skipping/changing lineup/etc makes it hard to keep frames bowled straight Do they have a party room of some sorts, that has a private from public view, to be used as a headless lounge? Will they supply water for the suiters? Another thing that ticks off the lanes is when you have 10 suiters show up to play, and 30 people out of suit that don't pay to bowl, but want to just watch.. This is bad tact, and won't make friends with the lane management. you might want to make a policy of if people are going.. even if they don't want to bowl, pay into whatever the group rate is. and another thing that seems to be the biggest faux paux of most bowling events, and has gotten groups kicked out and banned from bowling events? and I am not trying to start a flame with this, but I have seen it happen a couple times already.. Bowling tends to be a family, and "redneck" type event. They do not take kindly to alternative life styles. Do not gay pride the event, dry hump, grope, kiss face, etc, etc at the lanes.. parents with kids and right wing league players may complain to the manegement, and you will get banned. You should treat this as if you are performing in an elementary school.. all eyes are on you in fursuit, and you need to keep your actions to G rating. If you don't look "wholesome" to the lanes, where they are not afraid of you interacting with the kids in the lanes, you will be fine.. but you won't get very far when they fear letting kids go visit the two dogs that were "humping" on the lane. On Mar 5, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Andrew Morton wrote: > I'm planning and hoping to put together a fursuit bowling event in my area. The problem I am running into is how to go about contacting bowling centers without sounding sketchy and up to no good. Anyone have suggestions so we don't surprise/upset anyone or make trouble? > > Keep in mind, the area I live in has scarcely even heard of furries. > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_regis= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tresnar at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 13:33:17 2012 From: tresnar at gmail.com (Michael B.) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 10:33:17 -0800 Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You could always use their ignorance as a chance to set the tone to super-positive from the start, since they're a blank slate. Furry bowling events are getting more popular - there were those articles about the klingon-furry matchup a while back, and the local events in Seattle have made the newspaper twice - Once back in like 2008 (Kent) and more recently at the very wonderfully helpful Kenmore lanes and with the help of my friend Kijani Lion. http://www.bothell-reporter.com/community/138366109.html / http://www.meetup.com/furlife/events/46662392/ The way I look at it ... your alley has a chance start something great. If you're worried, that's what'll make you seem sketchy. Make this seem like the best idea in the world, because maybe it is :) On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Andrew Morton wrote: > I'm planning and hoping to put together a fursuit bowling event in my > area. The problem I am running into is how to go about contacting bowling > centers without sounding sketchy and up to no good. Anyone have > suggestions so we don't surprise/upset anyone or make trouble? > > Keep in mind, the area I live in has scarcely even heard of furries. > ______________________________**_________________ > ______________________________**_________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_** > mailman_register > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rsg0910 at iglou.com Tue Mar 6 21:25:58 2012 From: rsg0910 at iglou.com (Robert Goodwin) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 21:25:58 -0500 Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120307022557.GA28065@iglou.com> On Tue, Mar 06, 2012 at 10:33:17AM -0800, Michael B. wrote: > You could always use their ignorance as a chance to set the tone to > super-positive from the start, since they're a blank slate. Turn their ignorance into something that will benefit you and them. Yappy's suggestions are quite good and they work. I've set up a couple bowling in fursuit events and they went well. I told them we had some mascot costumers bowling while in costume, and we'd like to have maybe 4 lanes. I asked if they had a changing room or a place to change that's not the restroom. I made no mention of furry. Then let the event happen. Sure, you're bound to get some kids watching, which is a bonus. Even more so if there's a birthday event or kid's bowling league. You're bound to get some people watching, but there's always going to be someone watching others bowl, but it's not reasonable to have a big crowd as Yappy said. If the alley people want to know more about the costumes/suits, bring along yours and your friend with his suit, and let the manager see what to expect. Don't give them an excuse to turn you down too quickly. -boogi- (heading back to classes, trying to be a fellow student while not trying to be "old enough to be your daddy...") From tycho at ws6transam.org Wed Mar 7 09:52:35 2012 From: tycho at ws6transam.org (Tycho Brahe) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:52:35 -0500 Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events In-Reply-To: <20120307022557.GA28065@iglou.com> References: <20120307022557.GA28065@iglou.com> Message-ID: <9c992ba6d414d4a09b19e2e8055ead02.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> >> You could always use their ignorance as a chance to set the tone to >> super-positive from the start, since they're a blank slate. Interestingly, I've never seen a fursuit in real life here in Mid-Michigan and no one that I know has seen one before. However they will get to see one the week of April 1st, when mine gets delivered. I have been showing people the following picture of Tycho, which has been created by Beastcub, and with only one or two exceptions, everyone is fascinated and wants to see it in real life. In fact, the costume's debut will be here at my place of work where half the company is waiting to see it. There are no prejudices against fursuits at this point in time and I want to ensure it stays that way. Fursuit bowling sounds fun, however if I ever even thought that there might be the possibility of witnessing groping / being groped in any way other than Disney / family-friendly ways, I would most likely not attend. It's not my culture. That kind of behavior is not conducive for setting good impressions for the general public, especially in a place where you find kids and older people. I want to enjoy my fursuit costume in as many venues as possible when it arrives, and *do not* want to have to fight against a stereotype. So, if you bring your artwork to the bowling center, are genuinely enthusiastic about it, you are right - you might be able to really get a super-positive start! Who knows - They might even be able to turn it into a marketing opportunity, especially if you can do a mini-performance for the rest of public that happens to use the bowling center. Keep me informed how it goes, since I'm also starting from scratch. --Tycho p.s. The preview of Tycho is now available via Lilleah West's gallery at Beastcub. http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/058/5/7/aussie_shepherd_by_lilleahwest-d4r7fdk.jpg -- Inquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by necessity. From donkeyears at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 10:56:04 2012 From: donkeyears at gmail.com (Donkey) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:56:04 -0600 Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events In-Reply-To: <9c992ba6d414d4a09b19e2e8055ead02.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> References: <20120307022557.GA28065@iglou.com> <9c992ba6d414d4a09b19e2e8055ead02.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Tycho Brahe wrote: >>> You could always use their ignorance as a chance to set the tone to >>> super-positive from the start, since they're a blank slate. > > > > Fursuit bowling sounds fun, however if I ever even thought that there > might be the possibility of witnessing groping / being groped in any way > other than Disney / family-friendly ways, I would most likely not attend. > It's not my culture. That kind of behavior is not conducive for setting > good impressions for the general public, especially in a place where you > find kids and older people. > --Tycho > You might want to check out what really happens at the Disney parks with the costumed characters before you make such claims. There is a reason that. "Hi ho hi ho its off to court we go" is one of the top ten songs at Disney. His Most Royal Highass, Donkey From edgeh2o_guy at yahoo.com Wed Mar 7 11:37:18 2012 From: edgeh2o_guy at yahoo.com (edgeh2o_guy at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:37:18 +0000 Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events In-Reply-To: References: <20120307022557.GA28065@iglou.com> <9c992ba6d414d4a09b19e2e8055ead02.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> Message-ID: <1401901394-1331138239-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-357154435-@b12.c18.bise6.blackberry> Regardless, no need to feed stereotypes. Best to keep public displays family friendly IMO. Now what happens in private... Lol Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Donkey Sender: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:56:04 To: Reply-To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Subject: Re: FL: Organizing public fursuit events On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Tycho Brahe wrote: >>> You could always use their ignorance as a chance to set the tone to >>> super-positive from the start, since they're a blank slate. > > > > Fursuit bowling sounds fun, however if I ever even thought that there > might be the possibility of witnessing groping / being groped in any way > other than Disney / family-friendly ways, I would most likely not attend. > It's not my culture. That kind of behavior is not conducive for setting > good impressions for the general public, especially in a place where you > find kids and older people. > --Tycho > You might want to check out what really happens at the Disney parks with the costumed characters before you make such claims. There is a reason that. "Hi ho hi ho its off to court we go" is one of the top ten songs at Disney. His Most Royal Highass, Donkey _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register From zachalejandro at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 11:44:14 2012 From: zachalejandro at gmail.com (Zachary Alejandro) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 10:44:14 -0600 Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events In-Reply-To: <1401901394-1331138239-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-357154435-@b12.c18.bise6.blackberry> References: <20120307022557.GA28065@iglou.com> <9c992ba6d414d4a09b19e2e8055ead02.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> <1401901394-1331138239-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-357154435-@b12.c18.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Man, I wish I had a fur suit like you guys, but I don't. (Feels sad). I really wish you or anybody else that is on the site could make me one someday. I really want one though. On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:37 AM, wrote: > Regardless, no need to feed stereotypes. Best to keep public displays family friendly IMO. Now what happens in private... Lol > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donkey > Sender: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:56:04 > To: > Reply-To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org > Subject: Re: FL: Organizing public fursuit events > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Tycho Brahe wrote: >>>> You could always use their ignorance as a chance to set the tone to >>>> super-positive from the start, since they're a blank slate. >> >> >> >> Fursuit bowling sounds fun, however if I ever even thought that there >> might be the possibility of witnessing groping / being groped in any way >> other than Disney / family-friendly ways, I would most likely not attend. >> It's not my culture. That kind of behavior is not conducive for setting >> good impressions for the general public, especially in a place where you >> find kids and older people. >> --Tycho >> > > You might want to check out what really happens at the Disney parks > with the costumed characters before you make such claims. There is a > reason that. "Hi ho hi ho its off to court we go" is one of the top > ten songs at Disney. > > His Most Royal Highass, Donkey > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -- from the desk of zach alejandro From donkeyears at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 11:46:55 2012 From: donkeyears at gmail.com (Donkey) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 10:46:55 -0600 Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events In-Reply-To: References: <20120307022557.GA28065@iglou.com> <9c992ba6d414d4a09b19e2e8055ead02.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> <1401901394-1331138239-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-357154435-@b12.c18.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: There are plenty of how to information on the web site. Make your own fursuit lots of have. His Most Royal Highass, Donkey On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Zachary Alejandro wrote: > Man, I wish I had a fur suit like you guys, but I don't. (Feels sad). > I really wish you or anybody else that is on the site could make me > one someday. ?I really want one though. > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:37 AM, ? wrote: >> Regardless, no need to feed stereotypes. Best to keep public displays family friendly IMO. Now what happens in private... Lol >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Donkey >> Sender: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org >> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:56:04 >> To: >> Reply-To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org >> Subject: Re: FL: Organizing public fursuit events >> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Tycho Brahe wrote: >>>>> You could always use their ignorance as a chance to set the tone to >>>>> super-positive from the start, since they're a blank slate. >>> >>> >>> >>> Fursuit bowling sounds fun, however if I ever even thought that there >>> might be the possibility of witnessing groping / being groped in any way >>> other than Disney / family-friendly ways, I would most likely not attend. >>> It's not my culture. That kind of behavior is not conducive for setting >>> good impressions for the general public, especially in a place where you >>> find kids and older people. >>> --Tycho >>> >> >> You might want to check out what really happens at the Disney parks >> with the costumed characters before you make such claims. There is a >> reason that. "Hi ho hi ho its off to court we go" is one of the top >> ten songs at Disney. >> >> His Most Royal Highass, Donkey >> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Fursuit Mail list. >> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Fursuit Mail list. >> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > > > > -- > from the desk of zach alejandro > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register From zachalejandro at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 11:54:52 2012 From: zachalejandro at gmail.com (Zachary Alejandro) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 10:54:52 -0600 Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events In-Reply-To: References: <20120307022557.GA28065@iglou.com> <9c992ba6d414d4a09b19e2e8055ead02.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> <1401901394-1331138239-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-357154435-@b12.c18.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: I will give it a try. Considering I am living with my mom and sister and brother. So I am not sure about it. Any ideas of what I can do about it? On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Donkey wrote: > There are plenty of how to information on the web site. Make your own > fursuit lots of have. > > His Most Royal Highass, Donkey > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Zachary Alejandro > wrote: >> Man, I wish I had a fur suit like you guys, but I don't. (Feels sad). >> I really wish you or anybody else that is on the site could make me >> one someday. ?I really want one though. >> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:37 AM, ? wrote: >>> Regardless, no need to feed stereotypes. Best to keep public displays family friendly IMO. Now what happens in private... Lol >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Donkey >>> Sender: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org >>> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:56:04 >>> To: >>> Reply-To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org >>> Subject: Re: FL: Organizing public fursuit events >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Tycho Brahe wrote: >>>>>> You could always use their ignorance as a chance to set the tone to >>>>>> super-positive from the start, since they're a blank slate. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Fursuit bowling sounds fun, however if I ever even thought that there >>>> might be the possibility of witnessing groping / being groped in any way >>>> other than Disney / family-friendly ways, I would most likely not attend. >>>> It's not my culture. That kind of behavior is not conducive for setting >>>> good impressions for the general public, especially in a place where you >>>> find kids and older people. >>>> --Tycho >>>> >>> >>> You might want to check out what really happens at the Disney parks >>> with the costumed characters before you make such claims. There is a >>> reason that. "Hi ho hi ho its off to court we go" is one of the top >>> ten songs at Disney. >>> >>> His Most Royal Highass, Donkey >>> _______________________________________________ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fursuit Mail list. >>> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >>> _______________________________________________ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fursuit Mail list. >>> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >> >> >> >> -- >> from the desk of zach alejandro >> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Fursuit Mail list. >> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -- from the desk of zach alejandro From anthrobunny at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 11:56:46 2012 From: anthrobunny at gmail.com (Blackberry) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 08:56:46 -0800 Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events In-Reply-To: References: <20120307022557.GA28065@iglou.com> <9c992ba6d414d4a09b19e2e8055ead02.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> <1401901394-1331138239-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-357154435-@b12.c18.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: I didn't know the first thing about making fursuits when I made my first one. $100 for supplies and I taught myself how to sew. --- Sent from I, Phone On Mar 7, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Zachary Alejandro wrote: > Man, I wish I had a fur suit like you guys, but I don't. (Feels sad). > I really wish you or anybody else that is on the site could make me > one someday. I really want one though. > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:37 AM, wrote: >> Regardless, no need to feed stereotypes. Best to keep public displays family friendly IMO. Now what happens in private... Lol >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Donkey >> Sender: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org >> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:56:04 >> To: >> Reply-To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org >> Subject: Re: FL: Organizing public fursuit events >> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Tycho Brahe wrote: >>>>> You could always use their ignorance as a chance to set the tone to >>>>> super-positive from the start, since they're a blank slate. >>> >>> >>> >>> Fursuit bowling sounds fun, however if I ever even thought that there >>> might be the possibility of witnessing groping / being groped in any way >>> other than Disney / family-friendly ways, I would most likely not attend. >>> It's not my culture. That kind of behavior is not conducive for setting >>> good impressions for the general public, especially in a place where you >>> find kids and older people. >>> --Tycho >>> >> >> You might want to check out what really happens at the Disney parks >> with the costumed characters before you make such claims. There is a >> reason that. "Hi ho hi ho its off to court we go" is one of the top >> ten songs at Disney. >> >> His Most Royal Highass, Donkey >> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Fursuit Mail list. >> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Fursuit Mail list. >> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > > > > -- > from the desk of zach alejandro > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register From donkeyears at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 12:37:28 2012 From: donkeyears at gmail.com (Donkey) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:37:28 -0600 Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events In-Reply-To: References: <20120307022557.GA28065@iglou.com> <9c992ba6d414d4a09b19e2e8055ead02.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> <1401901394-1331138239-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-357154435-@b12.c18.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: I would suggest that the first fursuit that you make you use the cheapest material that you can find and when your done throw it out. You will make lots of mistakes and if you will be throwing the test suit out anyways you wont get discouraged. Good luck His Most Royal Highass, Donkey On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Zachary Alejandro wrote: > I will give it a try. Considering I am living with my mom and sister > and brother. So I am not sure about it. Any ideas of what I can do > about it? > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Donkey wrote: >> There are plenty of how to information on the web site. Make your own >> fursuit lots of have. >> >> His Most Royal Highass, Donkey >> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Zachary Alejandro >> wrote: >>> Man, I wish I had a fur suit like you guys, but I don't. (Feels sad). >>> I really wish you or anybody else that is on the site could make me >>> one someday. ?I really want one though. >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:37 AM, ? wrote: >>>> Regardless, no need to feed stereotypes. Best to keep public displays family friendly IMO. Now what happens in private... Lol >>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Donkey >>>> Sender: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org >>>> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:56:04 >>>> To: >>>> Reply-To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org >>>> Subject: Re: FL: Organizing public fursuit events >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Tycho Brahe wrote: >>>>>>> You could always use their ignorance as a chance to set the tone to >>>>>>> super-positive from the start, since they're a blank slate. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Fursuit bowling sounds fun, however if I ever even thought that there >>>>> might be the possibility of witnessing groping / being groped in any way >>>>> other than Disney / family-friendly ways, I would most likely not attend. >>>>> It's not my culture. That kind of behavior is not conducive for setting >>>>> good impressions for the general public, especially in a place where you >>>>> find kids and older people. >>>>> --Tycho >>>>> >>>> >>>> You might want to check out what really happens at the Disney parks >>>> with the costumed characters before you make such claims. There is a >>>> reason that. "Hi ho hi ho its off to court we go" is one of the top >>>> ten songs at Disney. >>>> >>>> His Most Royal Highass, Donkey >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Fursuit Mail list. >>>> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Fursuit Mail list. >>>> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> from the desk of zach alejandro >>> _______________________________________________ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fursuit Mail list. >>> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Fursuit Mail list. >> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > > > > -- > from the desk of zach alejandro > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register From tycho at ws6transam.org Wed Mar 7 12:16:45 2012 From: tycho at ws6transam.org (Tycho Brahe) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:16:45 -0500 Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events In-Reply-To: References: <20120307022557.GA28065@iglou.com> <9c992ba6d414d4a09b19e2e8055ead02.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> Message-ID: I'm not really making a claim; more like a perception. I want to participate in an environment that fits the perceived 'Disney' standard of behavior as recognized by the general public. Whether or not that standard is broken by some individuals within the employ of Disney does not by itself change the standard. Misbehavior can be found anywhere you go. Misbehavior means behavior that is not in keeping with the culture of your current environment. I like to have fun and push the envelope once and a while, but I don't necessarily feel the need to misbehave. Different environments give us the chance to behave in different ways without misbehaving. I love to hit 145 MPH at the top-end of the track at Memphis Motorsports park (or Gingerman raceway in Michigan) when racing my Trans Am, but I stick to no more than five MPH over the speed limit when cruising the freeway. I happily follow the traffic guidelines to set a positive example. Same deal; find an environment where the behavior is acceptable. In this case, interacting within a non-furry public at a bowling alley, the best thing to do is conform to the mainstream culture in terms of behavior but do it in a whimsical way that encourages positive feelings without making the other guests uncomfortable. No dry humping, no groping, and no throwing bowling balls down the aisle to knock down little kids. No matter how much fun it might seem like at the time... It makes the parents, management, and patrons uncomfortable. Save it for a furrycon where knocking down then glomping a fellow fursuiter is accepted as standard behavior.. ..though maybe I'm simply reading too seriously into your joke ;) > You might want to check out what really happens at the Disney parks > with the costumed characters before you make such claims. There is a > reason that. "Hi ho hi ho its off to court we go" is one of the top > ten songs at Disney. -- Inquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by necessity. From snoopy at foobox.com Wed Mar 7 13:22:11 2012 From: snoopy at foobox.com (stephen) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:22:11 -0500 Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events In-Reply-To: References: <20120307022557.GA28065@iglou.com> <9c992ba6d414d4a09b19e2e8055ead02.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> <1401901394-1331138239-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-357154435-@b12.c18.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <001401ccfc8f$376fabd0$a64f0370$@com> Not addressing this to anyone in particular, but someone ought to mention the etiquette of not hijacking a thread with another topic. Fursuit Building doesn't have much to do with Organizing Public Fursuit Events. Please change the subject of the new topic so it's not confused with the original topic. Thanks. -- "Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please." -- Mark Twain From thekayakingfox at hotmail.com Thu Mar 8 15:06:39 2012 From: thekayakingfox at hotmail.com (Andrew Morton) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:06:39 -0800 Subject: FL: Organizing public fursuit events In-Reply-To: References: <20120307022557.GA28065@iglou.com> <9c992ba6d414d4a09b19e2e8055ead02.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> <1401901394-1331138239-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-357154435-@b12.c18.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Aww, don't feel bad. I don't have a fursuit either, but I have multiple friends who do that I'm acting as front man/public relations for. I'm saving up for a fursuit though! On 3/7/2012 8:44 AM, Zachary Alejandro wrote: > Man, I wish I had a fur suit like you guys, but I don't. (Feels sad). > I really wish you or anybody else that is on the site could make me > one someday. I really want one though. From tycho at ws6transam.org Thu Mar 8 15:21:07 2012 From: tycho at ws6transam.org (Tycho Brahe) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 15:21:07 -0500 Subject: FL: saving for a suit In-Reply-To: References: <20120307022557.GA28065@iglou.com> <9c992ba6d414d4a09b19e2e8055ead02.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> <1401901394-1331138239-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-357154435-@b12.c18.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <29895a6c364c808d398627fdff32e883.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> I started saving on December of 2009 but couldn't convince the wife that "we" should save 'our' money for such a thing. So I parted out a '72 Honda SL350 motorcycle that I got for free, sold my 25th anniversary Crafter ML Rose acoustic guitar, sold my PLC controlled ceramics kiln, and both sets of race tires to finance the project. Two years later.... at the end of this month, it'll finally get delivered. Sometimes it takes a while, Zach. Fifty bucks at a time and you'll get there. Oh, and I just got word from city council from the neighboring city that they'd be happy to have me in their Jubilee parade in costume in late June. "The crazier the better", the parade organizer said. She said that they wanted it to be less centered on vintage tractors. Let's hope for partly cloudy and mid-70's :) On Thu, March 8, 2012 3:06 pm, Andrew Morton wrote: > Aww, don't feel bad. I don't have a fursuit either, but I have multiple > friends who do that I'm acting as front man/public relations for. I'm > saving up for a fursuit though! > > On 3/7/2012 8:44 AM, Zachary Alejandro wrote: >> Man, I wish I had a fur suit like you guys, but I don't. (Feels sad). >> I really wish you or anybody else that is on the site could make me >> one someday. I really want one though. > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > -- Inquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by necessity. From thekayakingfox at hotmail.com Thu Mar 8 16:32:19 2012 From: thekayakingfox at hotmail.com (Andrew Morton) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 13:32:19 -0800 Subject: FL: saving for a suit In-Reply-To: <29895a6c364c808d398627fdff32e883.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> References: <20120307022557.GA28065@iglou.com> <9c992ba6d414d4a09b19e2e8055ead02.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> <1401901394-1331138239-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-357154435-@b12.c18.bise6.blackberry> <29895a6c364c808d398627fdff32e883.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> Message-ID: Sad that you had to sell all of that stuff but it must save a lot of space for the suit! I've been saving money from paychecks since June to fund my fursuit endeavors. Makes it easier that my mate and I keep our finances separate, that way we can manage things our own way and still pay all the bills :) One saving method I've found works is taking a small percentage out of my pay immediately while still leaving enough for bills, groceries, and other neccesary expenses. Now obviously this method doesn't work for everyone but it's still a good concept. On 3/8/2012 12:21 PM, Tycho Brahe wrote: > I started saving on December of 2009 but couldn't convince the wife that > "we" should save 'our' money for such a thing. So I parted out a '72 Honda > SL350 motorcycle that I got for free, sold my 25th anniversary Crafter ML > Rose acoustic guitar, sold my PLC controlled ceramics kiln, and both sets > of race tires to finance the project. > > Two years later.... at the end of this month, it'll finally get delivered. > Sometimes it takes a while, Zach. Fifty bucks at a time and you'll get > there. > > Oh, and I just got word from city council from the neighboring city that > they'd be happy to have me in their Jubilee parade in costume in late > June. "The crazier the better", the parade organizer said. She said that > they wanted it to be less centered on vintage tractors. > > Let's hope for partly cloudy and mid-70's :) From kattywampus at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 16:37:55 2012 From: kattywampus at gmail.com (Kattywampus) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 14:37:55 -0700 Subject: FL: saving for a suit In-Reply-To: References: <20120307022557.GA28065@iglou.com> <9c992ba6d414d4a09b19e2e8055ead02.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> <1401901394-1331138239-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-357154435-@b12.c18.bise6.blackberry> <29895a6c364c808d398627fdff32e883.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> Message-ID: You should totally keep an eye out for fur sales and stuff. Even at places like Wal-Mart after Halloween. Hoard the stuff until you find a use for it! This suit cost me $35 total to make: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/179924/ Best Wishes, --Kattywampus From smorizio at hotmail.com Mon Mar 12 07:32:29 2012 From: smorizio at hotmail.com (steven morizio) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:32:29 -0400 Subject: FL: saving for a suit In-Reply-To: References: , , <20120307022557.GA28065@iglou.com>, <9c992ba6d414d4a09b19e2e8055ead02.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com>, , <1401901394-1331138239-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-357154435-@b12.c18.bise6.blackberry>, , , <29895a6c364c808d398627fdff32e883.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com>, , Message-ID: most banks and credit unions have auto trasfur now. you can iopen a savgings or xmoss type of account and have the bank move a few dollars a week to the saving account to fund your suit. Also pick up a large jar and toss your extra change into it. a years worth of spare change can add up quickly. one other trick is holiday temp job. places like walmart if there open 24 hours for the xmas season need stockers and or unloaders or people to put bikes together. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smorizio at hotmail.com Wed Mar 21 01:18:21 2012 From: smorizio at hotmail.com (steven morizio) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 01:18:21 -0400 Subject: FL: for those furs that wished they could fly...we just got one step closer. Message-ID: take a look on wired or youtube for the words Man Successfully Flies With Custom-Built Bird Wings a eng student with a android phone and some cloth flew. there some nice videos on-line of him taking off from a golf course. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tigrospottystripes at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 07:45:05 2012 From: tigrospottystripes at gmail.com (Tigro Spottystripes) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 08:45:05 -0300 Subject: FL: for those furs that wished they could fly...we just got one step closer. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Doesn't look real when he is in the air...i smell a hoax... On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:18 AM, steven morizio wrote: > take a look on wired or youtube for the words > Man Successfully Flies With Custom-Built Bird Wings > > a eng student with a android phone and some cloth flew. there some nice > videos on-line of him taking off from a golf course. > > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donkeyears at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 08:54:56 2012 From: donkeyears at gmail.com (Donkey) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 07:54:56 -0500 Subject: FL: for those furs that wished they could fly...we just got one step closer. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It is a hoax. Thingsjust don't quite add up. For example, why is he flapping the wings? Birds open up there wing tip feathers so air can pass through them on the up beat and close them on the down beat to trap the air under the wing to give lift. I don't see anything on the wings that would let air pass through the wings on the up beat. The frame would be a lot more durable with out the motion of beating wings. So why is he flapping the wings? If it was not for the beating of the wings I would be more inclined to believe the video. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Tigro Spottystripes wrote: > Doesn't look real when he is in the air...i smell a hoax... > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:18 AM, steven morizio > wrote: >> >> take a look on wired or youtube for the words >> >> Man Successfully Flies With Custom-Built Bird Wings >> >> >> >> a eng student with a android phone and some cloth flew. there some nice >> videos on-line of him taking off from a golf course. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Fursuit Mail list. >> To edit your subscription, visit: >> http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > > > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register From donkeyears at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 08:57:04 2012 From: donkeyears at gmail.com (Donkey) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 07:57:04 -0500 Subject: FL: for those furs that wished they could fly...we just got one step closer. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Reading the comments that where posted about the video it is a total hoax. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Donkey wrote: > It is a hoax. Thingsjust don't quite add up. > > For example, why is he flapping the wings? Birds open up there wing > tip feathers so air can pass through them on the up beat and close > them on the down beat to trap the air under the wing to give lift. I > don't see anything on the wings that would let air pass through the > wings on the up beat. The frame would be a lot more durable with out > the motion of beating wings. So why is he flapping the wings? > > If it was not for the beating of the wings I would be more inclined to > believe the video. > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Tigro Spottystripes > wrote: >> Doesn't look real when he is in the air...i smell a hoax... >> >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:18 AM, steven morizio >> wrote: >>> >>> take a look on wired or youtube for the words >>> >>> Man Successfully Flies With Custom-Built Bird Wings >>> >>> >>> >>> a eng student with a android phone and some cloth flew. there some nice >>> videos on-line of him taking off from a golf course. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fursuit Mail list. >>> To edit your subscription, visit: >>> http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Fursuit Mail list. >> To edit your subscription, visit: >> http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register From tigrospottystripes at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 09:57:16 2012 From: tigrospottystripes at gmail.com (Tigro Spottystripes) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:57:16 -0300 Subject: FL: for those furs that wished they could fly...we just got one step closer. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There have been manned airplanes that achieve propulsion and lift with flapping wings, such aircrafts are called "ornithopters". There was even a human powered one; according to Wikipedia: "On August 2, 2010, Todd Reichert of the University of Toronto Institute for Aerospace Studies piloted a human-powered ornithopter named Snowbird. The 32 metres (105 ft 0 in) wingspan 42 kilograms (93 lb) aircraft was constructed from carbon fibre , balsa, and foam. The pilot sat in a small cockpit suspended below the wings and pumped a bar with his feet to operate a system of wires that flapped the wings up and down. Towed by a car until airborne, it then sustained flight for almost 20 seconds. It flew 145 meters with an average speed of 25.6 km/h (7.1 m/s) [10]Similar tow-launched flights were made in the past, but improved data collection verified that the ornithopter was capable of self-powered flight once aloft.[11] " But it should be noted this one involved the pilot pushing with his legs and couldn't take off by itself, i'm not sure if humans got the right power/weight and endurance/weight ratios required to repeat that feat using the arms... On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Donkey wrote: > It is a hoax. Thingsjust don't quite add up. > > For example, why is he flapping the wings? Birds open up there wing > tip feathers so air can pass through them on the up beat and close > them on the down beat to trap the air under the wing to give lift. I > don't see anything on the wings that would let air pass through the > wings on the up beat. The frame would be a lot more durable with out > the motion of beating wings. So why is he flapping the wings? > > If it was not for the beating of the wings I would be more inclined to > believe the video. > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Tigro Spottystripes > wrote: > > Doesn't look real when he is in the air...i smell a hoax... > > > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:18 AM, steven morizio > > wrote: > >> > >> take a look on wired or youtube for the words > >> > >> Man Successfully Flies With Custom-Built Bird Wings > >> > >> > >> > >> a eng student with a android phone and some cloth flew. there some nice > >> videos on-line of him taking off from a golf course. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Fursuit Mail list. > >> To edit your subscription, visit: > >> http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > Fursuit Mail list. > > To edit your subscription, visit: > > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tigrospottystripes at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 15:21:09 2012 From: tigrospottystripes at gmail.com (Tigro Spottystripes) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:21:09 -0300 Subject: FL: for those furs that wished they could fly...we just got one step closer. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And here's the nail on the coffin: http://gizmodo.com/5895235/cgi-experts-say-flying-bird-man-is-fake Sorry to burst your bubble; i too wish it was real; unfortunatly it isn't. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Tigro Spottystripes < tigrospottystripes at gmail.com> wrote: > There have been manned airplanes that achieve propulsion and lift with > flapping wings, such aircrafts are called "ornithopters". > > > There was even a human powered one; according to Wikipedia: > "On August 2, 2010, Todd Reichert of the University of Toronto Institute > for Aerospace Studies piloted a human-powered ornithopter named Snowbird. > The 32 metres (105 ft 0 in) wingspan 42 kilograms (93 lb) aircraft was > constructed from carbon fibre , > balsa, and foam. The pilot sat in a small cockpit suspended below the wings > and pumped a bar with his feet to operate a system of wires that flapped > the wings up and down. Towed by a car until airborne, it then sustained > flight for almost 20 seconds. It flew 145 meters with an average speed of > 25.6 km/h (7.1 m/s) [10]Similar tow-launched flights were made in the past, but improved data > collection verified that the ornithopter was capable of self-powered flight > once aloft.[11] " > > But it should be noted this one involved the pilot pushing with his legs > and couldn't take off by itself, i'm not sure if humans got the right > power/weight and endurance/weight ratios required to repeat that feat using > the arms... > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Donkey wrote: > >> It is a hoax. Thingsjust don't quite add up. >> >> For example, why is he flapping the wings? Birds open up there wing >> tip feathers so air can pass through them on the up beat and close >> them on the down beat to trap the air under the wing to give lift. I >> don't see anything on the wings that would let air pass through the >> wings on the up beat. The frame would be a lot more durable with out >> the motion of beating wings. So why is he flapping the wings? >> >> If it was not for the beating of the wings I would be more inclined to >> believe the video. >> >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Tigro Spottystripes >> wrote: >> > Doesn't look real when he is in the air...i smell a hoax... >> > >> > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:18 AM, steven morizio >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> take a look on wired or youtube for the words >> >> >> >> Man Successfully Flies With Custom-Built Bird Wings >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> a eng student with a android phone and some cloth flew. there some nice >> >> videos on-line of him taking off from a golf course. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Fursuit Mail list. >> >> To edit your subscription, visit: >> >> http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Fursuit Mail list. >> > To edit your subscription, visit: >> > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Fursuit Mail list. >> To edit your subscription, visit: >> http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tycho at ws6transam.org Mon Apr 2 08:10:54 2012 From: tycho at ws6transam.org (Tycho Brahe) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 08:10:54 -0400 Subject: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality Message-ID: <3d0ca47f875a83db826667c359ded2ac.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> As a brand-new fursuiter, I would like to learn how to create the most charming character I can out of this fine creation. I originally planned on creating a 90-second martial arts demo for in-costume performance, so my character will probably employ some elements of martial arts. However the focus has changed over the past couple years, and furry cons are no longer a possibility. I'll probably get the chance to interact with the public here in the Lansing, MI area but it'll have to be without a handler. Events like pet store appearances, parades, kid-friendly local festivals, etc. Thus, I need to figure out some of the movements & motions that make a character come to life in the friendliest, most endearing way possible. Stuff that makes a child want to laugh & play, and a regular parent go "Awww, that is a cool costume!", and makes an event organizer want to ask me to return for the next event. Marcwolf, I know you've done this stuff before. Have you figured out what works and probably more importantly, what doesn't work? Tenatively I have three events lined up for this summer & fall - One's a for sure: A two hour morning session, assisting a clown at a local event in late July. http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office_resize.jpg http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office4.jpg http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office3.jpg http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office5.jpg -- Inquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by necessity. From scape at scape-thegoat.com Mon Apr 2 09:27:03 2012 From: scape at scape-thegoat.com (Scapegoat) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 09:27:03 -0400 Subject: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality In-Reply-To: <3d0ca47f875a83db826667c359ded2ac.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> References: <3d0ca47f875a83db826667c359ded2ac.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> Message-ID: I would never go anywhere without a handler. ~Scape On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:10 AM, "Tycho Brahe" wrote: As a brand-new fursuiter, I would like to learn how to create the most charming character I can out of this fine creation. I originally planned on creating a 90-second martial arts demo for in-costume performance, so my character will probably employ some elements of martial arts. However the focus has changed over the past couple years, and furry cons are no longer a possibility. I'll probably get the chance to interact with the public here in the Lansing, MI area but it'll have to be without a handler. Events like pet store appearances, parades, kid-friendly local festivals, etc. Thus, I need to figure out some of the movements & motions that make a character come to life in the friendliest, most endearing way possible. Stuff that makes a child want to laugh & play, and a regular parent go "Awww, that is a cool costume!", and makes an event organizer want to ask me to return for the next event. Marcwolf, I know you've done this stuff before. Have you figured out what works and probably more importantly, what doesn't work? Tenatively I have three events lined up for this summer & fall - One's a for sure: A two hour morning session, assisting a clown at a local event in late July. http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office_resize.jpg http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office4.jpg http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office3.jpg http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office5.jpg -- Inquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by necessity. _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register From mx5madness at aol.com Mon Apr 2 10:03:23 2012 From: mx5madness at aol.com (mx5madness at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 10:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality In-Reply-To: References: <3d0ca47f875a83db826667c359ded2ac.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> Message-ID: <8CEDEF08097EE17-15E4-10485@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com> 'Never' is kinda broad......... I'm a new suiter, too. Last year was my first year in costume; did three cons- FAU4, Anthrocon, and FurFright. Had a handler at all but Anthrocon. Going without a handler was a bit of a challenge, but I survived, and had a great time. Of course, Anthrocon is as fursuit friendly as a place can be. Broad hallways, good lighting, cool temperatures. I'm not sure I'd go out in public, at least not without the support of a group. Too easy to overheat, encounter a drunk, or a misbehaving child. If you're outside a facility, it's too easy to trip, and the places to take a headless break may not be apparant. As to the performance, great question! With that wonderful suit, I'm sure everyone will go 'AWWWWW!' whatever you do. mx5madness at aol.com Find me at about.me/scottchamberlainlaw.com -----Original Message----- From: Scapegoat To: fursuit-list Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:34 am Subject: Re: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality I would never go anywhere without a handler. Scape On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:10 AM, "Tycho Brahe" wrote: As a brand-new fursuiter, I would like to learn how to create the most harming character I can out of this fine creation. I originally planned n creating a 90-second martial arts demo for in-costume performance, so y character will probably employ some elements of martial arts. However he focus has changed over the past couple years, and furry cons are no onger a possibility. I'll probably get the chance to interact with the ublic here in the Lansing, MI area but it'll have to be without a andler. Events like pet store appearances, parades, kid-friendly local estivals, etc. Thus, I need to figure out some of the movements & motions that make a haracter come to life in the friendliest, most endearing way possible. tuff that makes a child want to laugh & play, and a regular parent go Awww, that is a cool costume!", and makes an event organizer want to ask e to return for the next event. Marcwolf, I know you've done this stuff before. Have you figured out what orks and probably more importantly, what doesn't work? Tenatively I have three events lined up for this summer & fall - One's a or sure: A two hour morning session, assisting a clown at a local event n late July. http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office_resize.jpg ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office4.jpg ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office3.jpg ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office5.jpg - nquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by ecessity. _______________________________________________ ______________________________________________ ursuit Mail list. o edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register _______________________________________________ ______________________________________________ ursuit Mail list. o edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From espilonarge at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 11:11:41 2012 From: espilonarge at gmail.com (Christopher Halyday) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 01:11:41 +1000 Subject: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality In-Reply-To: <8CEDEF08097EE17-15E4-10485@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com> References: <3d0ca47f875a83db826667c359ded2ac.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> <8CEDEF08097EE17-15E4-10485@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: As a personal suggestion, I would look on YouTube and study what other fursuiters do, especially with encounters of the "small" kind (aka children and possibly pets) and what I should do when approached by these kinds of situations. Although they may have a handler with them in a number of videos, the majority of them act on their own accord and in some cases a handler won't always be quick to react to a situation when it arises (has happened a couple of times to me). While I'm still personally learning how to fursuit myself (only been suiting for a couple of years now), there's still ways I'm learning to improve on what I can do and visual aids from studying other fursuiters through videos should surfice. :) On 4/3/12, mx5madness at aol.com wrote: > > 'Never' is kinda broad......... > I'm a new suiter, too. Last year was my first year in costume; did three > cons- FAU4, Anthrocon, and FurFright. Had a handler at all but Anthrocon. > Going without a handler was a bit of a challenge, but I survived, and had a > great time. Of course, Anthrocon is as fursuit friendly as a place can be. > Broad hallways, good lighting, cool temperatures. I'm not sure I'd go out in > public, at least not without the support of a group. Too easy to overheat, > encounter a drunk, or a misbehaving child. If you're outside a facility, > it's too easy to trip, and the places to take a headless break may not be > apparant. > As to the performance, great question! With that wonderful suit, I'm sure > everyone will go 'AWWWWW!' whatever you do. > > > mx5madness at aol.com > Find me at about.me/scottchamberlainlaw.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scapegoat > To: fursuit-list > Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:34 am > Subject: Re: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality > > > I would never go anywhere without a handler. > Scape > On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:10 AM, "Tycho Brahe" wrote: > As a brand-new fursuiter, I would like to learn how to create the most > harming character I can out of this fine creation. I originally planned > n creating a 90-second martial arts demo for in-costume performance, so > y character will probably employ some elements of martial arts. However > he focus has changed over the past couple years, and furry cons are no > onger a possibility. I'll probably get the chance to interact with the > ublic here in the Lansing, MI area but it'll have to be without a > andler. Events like pet store appearances, parades, kid-friendly local > estivals, etc. > Thus, I need to figure out some of the movements & motions that make a > haracter come to life in the friendliest, most endearing way possible. > tuff that makes a child want to laugh & play, and a regular parent go > Awww, that is a cool costume!", and makes an event organizer want to ask > e to return for the next event. > Marcwolf, I know you've done this stuff before. Have you figured out what > orks and probably more importantly, what doesn't work? > Tenatively I have three events lined up for this summer & fall - One's a > or sure: A two hour morning session, assisting a clown at a local event > n late July. > http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office_resize.jpg > ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office4.jpg > ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office3.jpg > ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office5.jpg > - > nquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by > ecessity. > _______________________________________________ > ______________________________________________ > ursuit Mail list. > o edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > _______________________________________________ > ______________________________________________ > ursuit Mail list. > o edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > > From zachalejandro at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 11:36:08 2012 From: zachalejandro at gmail.com (Zachary Alejandro) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 10:36:08 -0500 Subject: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality In-Reply-To: References: <3d0ca47f875a83db826667c359ded2ac.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> <8CEDEF08097EE17-15E4-10485@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Y'know, I've been on youtube during the weekend and I went on and watched fursuit bowling and as i watched some fursuiters go on and bowl. Man, I still wish I had a fursuit. On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Christopher Halyday wrote: > As a personal suggestion, I would look on YouTube and study what other > fursuiters do, especially with encounters of the "small" kind (aka > children and possibly pets) and what I should do when approached by > these kinds of situations. Although they may have a handler with them > in a number of videos, the majority of them act on their own accord > and in some cases a handler won't always be quick to react to a > situation when it arises (has happened a couple of times to me). > > While I'm still personally learning how to fursuit myself (only been > suiting for a couple of years now), there's still ways I'm learning to > improve on what I can do and visual aids from studying other > fursuiters through videos should surfice. :) > > On 4/3/12, mx5madness at aol.com wrote: >> >> 'Never' is kinda broad......... >> I'm a new suiter, too. Last year was my first year in costume; did three >> cons- FAU4, Anthrocon, and FurFright. Had a handler at all but Anthrocon. >> Going without a handler was a bit of a challenge, but I survived, and had a >> great time. Of course, Anthrocon is as fursuit friendly as a place can be. >> Broad hallways, good lighting, cool temperatures. I'm not sure I'd go out in >> public, at least not without the support of a group. Too easy to overheat, >> encounter a drunk, or a misbehaving child. If you're outside a facility, >> it's too easy to trip, and the places to take a headless break may not be >> apparant. >> As to the performance, great question! With that wonderful suit, I'm sure >> everyone will go 'AWWWWW!' whatever you do. >> >> >> mx5madness at aol.com >> Find me at about.me/scottchamberlainlaw.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Scapegoat >> To: fursuit-list >> Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:34 am >> Subject: Re: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality >> >> >> I would never go anywhere without a handler. >> Scape >> On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:10 AM, "Tycho Brahe" wrote: >> As a brand-new fursuiter, I would like to learn how to create the most >> harming character I can out of this fine creation. I originally planned >> n creating a 90-second martial arts demo for in-costume performance, so >> y character will probably employ some elements of martial arts. However >> he focus has changed over the past couple years, and furry cons are no >> onger a possibility. I'll probably get the chance to interact with the >> ublic here in the Lansing, MI area but it'll have to be without a >> andler. Events like pet store appearances, parades, kid-friendly local >> estivals, etc. >> Thus, I need to figure out some of the movements & motions that make a >> haracter come to life in the friendliest, most endearing way possible. >> tuff that makes a child want to laugh & play, and a regular parent go >> Awww, that is a cool costume!", and makes an event organizer want to ask >> e to return for the next event. >> Marcwolf, I know you've done this stuff before. Have you figured out what >> orks and probably more importantly, what doesn't work? >> Tenatively I have three events lined up for this summer & fall - One's a >> or sure: A two hour morning session, assisting a clown at a local event >> n late July. >> http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office_resize.jpg >> ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office4.jpg >> ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office3.jpg >> ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office5.jpg >> - >> nquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by >> ecessity. >> _______________________________________________ >> ______________________________________________ >> ursuit Mail list. >> o edit your subscription, visit: >> http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >> _______________________________________________ >> ______________________________________________ >> ursuit Mail list. >> o edit your subscription, visit: >> http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >> >> > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -- from the desk of zach alejandro From scape at scape-thegoat.com Mon Apr 2 11:47:48 2012 From: scape at scape-thegoat.com (Scapegoat) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:47:48 -0400 Subject: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality In-Reply-To: <8CEDEF08097EE17-15E4-10485@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com> References: <3d0ca47f875a83db826667c359ded2ac.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> <8CEDEF08097EE17-15E4-10485@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <60BB0B51-09F1-46A8-AC39-33D4530B9940@scape-thegoat.com> lol By "never" I don't means cons ;) Conventions are usually like a safe haven to me where I feel I can relax and walk around or be a gooberhead and everything is alright. Out in the real world though is a different story. Just too many things that could potentially go 'wrong' at any moment -too many variables and unknowns. If I can't get a spotter or handler to go with me somewhere, then I just won't bother. ~Scape On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:03 AM, mx5madness at aol.com wrote: 'Never' is kinda broad......... I'm a new suiter, too. Last year was my first year in costume; did three cons- FAU4, Anthrocon, and FurFright. Had a handler at all but Anthrocon. Going without a handler was a bit of a challenge, but I survived, and had a great time. Of course, Anthrocon is as fursuit friendly as a place can be. Broad hallways, good lighting, cool temperatures. I'm not sure I'd go out in public, at least not without the support of a group. Too easy to overheat, encounter a drunk, or a misbehaving child. If you're outside a facility, it's too easy to trip, and the places to take a headless break may not be apparant. As to the performance, great question! With that wonderful suit, I'm sure everyone will go 'AWWWWW!' whatever you do. mx5madness at aol.com Find me at about.me/scottchamberlainlaw.com -----Original Message----- From: Scapegoat To: fursuit-list Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:34 am Subject: Re: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality I would never go anywhere without a handler. ~Scape On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:10 AM, "Tycho Brahe" wrote: As a brand-new fursuiter, I would like to learn how to create the most charming character I can out of this fine creation. I originally planned on creating a 90-second martial arts demo for in-costume performance, so my character will probably employ some elements of martial arts. However the focus has changed over the past couple years, and furry cons are no longer a possibility. I'll probably get the chance to interact with the public here in the Lansing, MI area but it'll have to be without a handler. Events like pet store appearances, parades, kid-friendly local festivals, etc. Thus, I need to figure out some of the movements & motions that make a character come to life in the friendliest, most endearing way possible. Stuff that makes a child want to laugh & play, and a regular parent go "Awww, that is a cool costume!", and makes an event organizer want to ask me to return for the next event. Marcwolf, I know you've done this stuff before. Have you figured out what works and probably more importantly, what doesn't work? Tenatively I have three events lined up for this summer & fall - One's a for sure: A two hour morning session, assisting a clown at a local event in late July. http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office_resize.jpg http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office4.jpg http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office3.jpg http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office5.jpg -- Inquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by necessity. _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mx5madness at aol.com Mon Apr 2 11:57:49 2012 From: mx5madness at aol.com (mx5madness at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality In-Reply-To: References: <3d0ca47f875a83db826667c359ded2ac.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com><8CEDEF08097EE17-15E4-10485@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CEDF007C9E7D3F-15E4-11475@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com> There are a couple good 'learn to fursuit' videos on YouTube. For starters, you need to learn the 'fursuit walk' mx5madness at aol.com Find me at about.me/scottchamberlainlaw.com -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Halyday To: fursuit-list Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:12 am Subject: Re: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality As a personal suggestion, I would look on YouTube and study what other ursuiters do, especially with encounters of the "small" kind (aka hildren and possibly pets) and what I should do when approached by hese kinds of situations. Although they may have a handler with them n a number of videos, the majority of them act on their own accord nd in some cases a handler won't always be quick to react to a ituation when it arises (has happened a couple of times to me). While I'm still personally learning how to fursuit myself (only been uiting for a couple of years now), there's still ways I'm learning to mprove on what I can do and visual aids from studying other ursuiters through videos should surfice. :) On 4/3/12, mx5madness at aol.com wrote: 'Never' is kinda broad......... I'm a new suiter, too. Last year was my first year in costume; did three cons- FAU4, Anthrocon, and FurFright. Had a handler at all but Anthrocon. Going without a handler was a bit of a challenge, but I survived, and had a great time. Of course, Anthrocon is as fursuit friendly as a place can be. Broad hallways, good lighting, cool temperatures. I'm not sure I'd go out in public, at least not without the support of a group. Too easy to overheat, encounter a drunk, or a misbehaving child. If you're outside a facility, it's too easy to trip, and the places to take a headless break may not be apparant. As to the performance, great question! With that wonderful suit, I'm sure everyone will go 'AWWWWW!' whatever you do. mx5madness at aol.com Find me at about.me/scottchamberlainlaw.com -----Original Message----- From: Scapegoat To: fursuit-list Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:34 am Subject: Re: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality I would never go anywhere without a handler. Scape On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:10 AM, "Tycho Brahe" wrote: As a brand-new fursuiter, I would like to learn how to create the most harming character I can out of this fine creation. I originally planned n creating a 90-second martial arts demo for in-costume performance, so y character will probably employ some elements of martial arts. However he focus has changed over the past couple years, and furry cons are no onger a possibility. I'll probably get the chance to interact with the ublic here in the Lansing, MI area but it'll have to be without a andler. Events like pet store appearances, parades, kid-friendly local estivals, etc. Thus, I need to figure out some of the movements & motions that make a haracter come to life in the friendliest, most endearing way possible. tuff that makes a child want to laugh & play, and a regular parent go Awww, that is a cool costume!", and makes an event organizer want to ask e to return for the next event. Marcwolf, I know you've done this stuff before. Have you figured out what orks and probably more importantly, what doesn't work? Tenatively I have three events lined up for this summer & fall - One's a or sure: A two hour morning session, assisting a clown at a local event n late July. http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office_resize.jpg ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office4.jpg ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office3.jpg ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office5.jpg - nquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by ecessity. _______________________________________________ ______________________________________________ ursuit Mail list. o edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register _______________________________________________ ______________________________________________ ursuit Mail list. o edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register ______________________________________________ ______________________________________________ ursuit Mail list. o edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mx5madness at aol.com Mon Apr 2 12:00:34 2012 From: mx5madness at aol.com (mx5madness at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality In-Reply-To: <60BB0B51-09F1-46A8-AC39-33D4530B9940@scape-thegoat.com> References: <3d0ca47f875a83db826667c359ded2ac.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com><8CEDEF08097EE17-15E4-10485@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com> <60BB0B51-09F1-46A8-AC39-33D4530B9940@scape-thegoat.com> Message-ID: <8CEDF00DED0037F-15E4-114D0@webmail-m076.sysops.aol.com> In RL, there are no security forces on every corner, waiting to haul miscreants away...... mx5madness at aol.com Find me at about.me/scottchamberlainlaw.com -----Original Message----- From: Scapegoat To: fursuit-list Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:55 am Subject: Re: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality lol By "never" I don't means cons ;) Conventions are usually like a safe haven to me where I feel I can relax and walk around or be a gooberhead and everything is alright. Out in the real world though is a different story. Just too many things that could potentially go 'wrong' at any moment -too many variables and unknowns. If I can't get a spotter or handler to go with me somewhere, then I just won't bother. ~Scape On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:03 AM, mx5madness at aol.com wrote: 'Never' is kinda broad......... I'm a new suiter, too. Last year was my first year in costume; did three cons- FAU4, Anthrocon, and FurFright. Had a handler at all but Anthrocon. Going without a handler was a bit of a challenge, but I survived, and had a great time. Of course, Anthrocon is as fursuit friendly as a place can be. Broad hallways, good lighting, cool temperatures. I'm not sure I'd go out in public, at least not without the support of a group. Too easy to overheat, encounter a drunk, or a misbehaving child. If you're outside a facility, it's too easy to trip, and the places to take a headless break may not be apparant. As to the performance, great question! With that wonderful suit, I'm sure everyone will go 'AWWWWW!' whatever you do. mx5madness at aol.com Find me at about.me/scottchamberlainlaw.com -----Original Message----- From: Scapegoat To: fursuit-list Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:34 am Subject: Re: FL: Bringing your character to life: Movement and personality I would never go anywhere without a handler. Scape On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:10 AM, "Tycho Brahe" wrote: As a brand-new fursuiter, I would like to learn how to create the most harming character I can out of this fine creation. I originally planned n creating a 90-second martial arts demo for in-costume performance, so y character will probably employ some elements of martial arts. However he focus has changed over the past couple years, and furry cons are no onger a possibility. I'll probably get the chance to interact with the ublic here in the Lansing, MI area but it'll have to be without a andler. Events like pet store appearances, parades, kid-friendly local estivals, etc. Thus, I need to figure out some of the movements & motions that make a haracter come to life in the friendliest, most endearing way possible. tuff that makes a child want to laugh & play, and a regular parent go Awww, that is a cool costume!", and makes an event organizer want to ask e to return for the next event. Marcwolf, I know you've done this stuff before. Have you figured out what orks and probably more importantly, what doesn't work? Tenatively I have three events lined up for this summer & fall - One's a or sure: A two hour morning session, assisting a clown at a local event n late July. http://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office_resize.jpg ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office4.jpg ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office3.jpg ttp://www.ws6transam.org/fursuit/Tycho_office5.jpg - nquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by ecessity. _______________________________________________ ______________________________________________ ursuit Mail list. o edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register _______________________________________________ ______________________________________________ ursuit Mail list. o edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register _______________________________________________ ______________________________________________ ursuit Mail list. o edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlely at juno.com Thu Apr 5 04:32:14 2012 From: dlely at juno.com (David L. Ely) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 01:32:14 -0700 Subject: FL: Fursuiting Event: Pasadena Doo Dah Parade Message-ID: <20120405.013229.1667.338437@mailpop06.vgs.untd.com> Dear Doo Dah Parade Admirers, Lovers, and Participants: In a little over three weeks it'll be time for the 35th Occasional Pasadena Doo Dah Parade in Southern California! This year it's on Saturday the 28th of April and you're all invited to watch, help, or if you have a fursuit, participate with us in East Pasadena! Now in it's third year on the new spring date, new meeting location, and new route in East Pasadena. Why they changed the date (for the third time) and location I'll never know, but here's yer chance for some local fursuiting fun that began with Thaddeus Fox and Rapid T. Rabbit way back in 1990 (yes, that's 22 years)! Here's how to join in on the fun: 1) simply e-mail me (NOT this list) at dlely at juno.com telling me you'll be there. I will reply with confirmation giving you more details. 2) Check out the Parade's official web site at http://www.pasadenadoodahparade.info/ for further information, maps, news, and highlights from previous year's parades. 3) Then on Saturday the 28th of April: meet all of us furry participants no later than 10:00 AM on shady Nina Street between North Altadena Drive and North Vinedo Street just north of East Colorado Boulevard. 4) Pay your $10.00 per person entry fee to me who will then turn over the total to the parade organizers (The Light Bringer Project - a nonprofit arts organization - http://www.lightbringerproject.com). 5) Wait around and have some fun . . . then jump in the parade around 11:00 AM and have more fun being crazy, out of control, silly, wacky, and zany to thousands of crazy, out of control, silly, wacky and zany spectators lining both sides of East Colorado Boulevard in the 2500-2600 blocks! But wait there's more! After the parade everyfur usually regroups for a chow-down at a popular Pasadena watering hole! If you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me. Hope to see you all there! David L. Ely - AKA: Scruff E. Coyote - dlely at juno.com "Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions." - Dalai Lama ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 From greenreaper at hotmail.com Tue Apr 10 02:10:56 2012 From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (Laurence Parry) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 01:10:56 -0500 Subject: FL: Want to see your suit in a museum? Message-ID: A posting on behalf of Fred Patten ( http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Fred_Patten ), cross-posted to fursuitlounge --- I know from discussions with the librarians at the University of California at Riverside Library that they would love to get some donations of fursuits for the Library's Eaton Collection of Science Fiction & Fantasy. ( http://eaton.ucr.edu/ ) The Eaton Collection has one of the largest archives in the world of materials relating to the history of Furry fandom ( http://eaton.ucr.edu/othercollection.html ), but it does not have any fursuits. --- There's been some talk of the disposal of old fursuits on the fursuit LiveJournal ( http://fursuit.livejournal.com/4840115.html ), but I think this is better than most of the ideas floated - anyone interested in donating to a good cause? (I'm sure they'd take just a head if you only have that.) -- Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry http://greenreaper.co.uk - http://wikifur.com - http://flayrah.com "Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?" From donkeyears at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 06:44:22 2012 From: donkeyears at gmail.com (Donkey) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 05:44:22 -0500 Subject: FL: Want to see your suit in a museum? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Would it really be put out for display where people can see it or just put in some storage bin and forgotten? Most of the stuff the museums get are filed away in some storage room and forgotten. Every so often you hear a news story about some object that is in a museums collection that no one remembered that it was there. Just a few weeks ago there was a news report about some black lady that was a great artist that was born a slave that her art work was just rediscovered in some museums storage area somewhere. The problem with a fursuit being stored away for decades it would disintegrate because foam just does not hold up in the long term. Sorry to be raining on your parade but I just don't see that a museum would find enough general public interest in furry to be having a fursuit out for public display. There is something that somefur could do. Create an on line furry museum showing the history of the furry fandom. Maybe someone has some old photos from the first years of the fandom so furs can see how the fandom has evolved though the decades. Maybe this could become a regular presentation at a furry convention. His Most Royal Highass, Donkey On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:10 AM, Laurence Parry wrote: > A posting on behalf of Fred Patten > ( http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Fred_Patten ), cross-posted to fursuitlounge > > --- > > I know from discussions with the librarians at the University of California > at Riverside Library that they would love to get some donations of fursuits > for the Library's Eaton Collection of Science Fiction & Fantasy. ( > http://eaton.ucr.edu/ ) > > The Eaton Collection has one of the largest archives in the world of > materials relating to the history of Furry fandom ( > http://eaton.ucr.edu/othercollection.html ), but it does not have any > fursuits. > > --- > > There's been some talk of the disposal of old fursuits on the fursuit > LiveJournal ( http://fursuit.livejournal.com/4840115.html ), but I think > this is better than most of the ideas floated - anyone interested in > donating to a good cause? (I'm sure they'd take just a head if you only have > that.) > > -- > Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry > http://greenreaper.co.uk - http://wikifur.com - http://flayrah.com > "Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?" > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register From skippy at sk1p.com Tue Apr 10 10:22:02 2012 From: skippy at sk1p.com (Zack F) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:22:02 -0400 Subject: FL: Want to see your suit in a museum? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F84420A.4000803@sk1p.com> FWIW I bet Fred Patten's collection at UoC (the place we're talking about) would be a good start for an eventual online museum. According to his article on Wikifur he was visiting the library on a regular basis to organize the collection of works he donated, but this apparently was years ago and I don't know if it's organized or what. But, if it's catalogued and documented, that is probably a good place to start for a researcher to put together an interesting online archive of fandom history. You just need somebody proactive enough to do something with it. --skippyfox On 4/10/2012 6:44 AM, Donkey wrote: > Would it really be put out for display where people can see it or just > put in some storage bin and forgotten? > > Most of the stuff the museums get are filed away in some storage room > and forgotten. Every so often you hear a news story about some object > that is in a museums collection that no one remembered that it was > there. Just a few weeks ago there was a news report about some black > lady that was a great artist that was born a slave that her art work > was just rediscovered in some museums storage area somewhere. > > The problem with a fursuit being stored away for decades it would > disintegrate because foam just does not hold up in the long term. > > Sorry to be raining on your parade but I just don't see that a museum > would find enough general public interest in furry to be having a > fursuit out for public display. > > There is something that somefur could do. Create an on line furry > museum showing the history of the furry fandom. Maybe someone has some > old photos from the first years of the fandom so furs can see how the > fandom has evolved though the decades. Maybe this could become a > regular presentation at a furry convention. > > His Most Royal Highass, Donkey > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:10 AM, Laurence Parry wrote: >> A posting on behalf of Fred Patten >> ( http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Fred_Patten ), cross-posted to fursuitlounge >> >> --- >> >> I know from discussions with the librarians at the University of California >> at Riverside Library that they would love to get some donations of fursuits >> for the Library's Eaton Collection of Science Fiction& Fantasy. ( >> http://eaton.ucr.edu/ ) >> >> The Eaton Collection has one of the largest archives in the world of >> materials relating to the history of Furry fandom ( >> http://eaton.ucr.edu/othercollection.html ), but it does not have any >> fursuits. >> >> --- >> >> There's been some talk of the disposal of old fursuits on the fursuit >> LiveJournal ( http://fursuit.livejournal.com/4840115.html ), but I think >> this is better than most of the ideas floated - anyone interested in >> donating to a good cause? (I'm sure they'd take just a head if you only have >> that.) >> >> -- >> Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry >> http://greenreaper.co.uk - http://wikifur.com - http://flayrah.com >> "Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?" >> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Fursuit Mail list. >> To edit your subscription, visit: >> http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > From greenreaper at hotmail.com Tue Apr 10 11:57:53 2012 From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (Laurence Parry) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:57:53 -0500 Subject: FL: Want to see your suit in a museum? In-Reply-To: <4F84420A.4000803@sk1p.com> References: , , <4F84420A.4000803@sk1p.com> Message-ID: > he was visiting the library on a regular basis to > organize the collection of works he donated, but this apparently was > years ago and I don't know if it's organized or what. As I understand it, Fred visits on a monthly basis when he can (he's reliant on others for transportation). It's a big project! But they have already put up > Would it really be put out for display where people can see it or just > put in some storage bin and forgotten? I can't say. I know they did have a recent two-year exhibition of some of Fred's collection, and they have specifically asked for them, so I imagine they are interested in putting one on show, at least for a time. Bear in mind that we're not talking about a general-purpose museum; it's a collection of science fiction and fantasy material, including ephemera such as costumes. > The problem with a fursuit being stored away for decades it would > disintegrate because foam just does not hold up in the long term. Don't see how that'd be much better than having it rot away in a closet somewhere. :-) I don't know if there's any way to preserve the materials in a fursuit, but I imagine they'd have the appropriate resources to find out. > There is something that somefur could do. Create an on line furry > museum showing the history of the furry fandom. Maybe someone has some > old photos from the first years of the fandom so furs can see how the > fandom has evolved though the decades. Maybe this could become a > regular presentation at a furry convention. Chairo and others at FC/AAE have apparently been working on some aspects of that with the AFR: http://www.flayrah.com/3967#comment-48765 It appears to be FC-specific - mostly because that's what they have to hand. It might be a start, though. Long-term, that's something I could imagine being involved in (though I can't provide much in the way of material), but should set up that 501(c)(3) furry foundation to run it first . . . -- Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry http://greenreaper.co.uk - http://wikifur.com - http://flayrah.com "Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chairoraccoon at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 14:37:44 2012 From: chairoraccoon at gmail.com (Chairoraccoon) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:37:44 -0700 Subject: FL: Want to see your suit in a museum? In-Reply-To: References: <4F84420A.4000803@sk1p.com> Message-ID: <23214761-A514-4B5D-9F82-994E78D58CD2@gmail.com> Yes, FC has the AFR, Anthro Fandom Repository. Most of the materials are flat file media. Zines, Books, Art, Etc. Fred Patten has even donated to it in the past and I am sure will continue to be a great reaource for us and the fandom. Our goal as FC is to collect, archive, and share the Furry end of history. Not Just FC's. We have had this archive for a good while and have recently restaffed much of our board and board staff including AFR librarians. We hope to have something online soon. But it will take a while to scan and index everything. It's all held in a safe climate controlled off site storage for now. We will be looking for new materials to add. Fursuits have not been discussed yet. We have videos from as far back as CF 4. And stills from a smattering of conventions and other events. FC will most defiately have a display of their history at a future FurCon which may include some retro costumes and AFR items. My oldest fursuit so far is from 1997. Tho I know of several suits who have gone back even further. An item to consider for sure. We will keep everyone posted and accept donations of all types of fandom related material in the mean time. Cheers and Chirrs! Chairo On Apr 10, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Laurence Parry wrote: > > he was visiting the library on a regular basis to > > organize the collection of works he donated, but this apparently was > > years ago and I don't know if it's organized or what. > > As I understand it, Fred visits on a monthly basis when he can (he's reliant on others for transportation). It's a big project! But they have already put up > > > Would it really be put out for display where people can see it or just > > put in some storage bin and forgotten? > > I can't say. I know they did have a recent two-year exhibition of some of Fred's collection, and they have specifically asked for them, so I imagine they are interested in putting one on show, at least for a time. > > Bear in mind that we're not talking about a general-purpose museum; it's a collection of science fiction and fantasy material, including ephemera such as costumes. > > > The problem with a fursuit being stored away for decades it would > > disintegrate because foam just does not hold up in the long term. > > Don't see how that'd be much better than having it rot away in a closet somewhere. :-) > > I don't know if there's any way to preserve the materials in a fursuit, but I imagine they'd have the appropriate resources to find out. > > > There is something that somefur could do. Create an on line furry > > museum showing the history of the furry fandom. Maybe someone has some > > old photos from the first years of the fandom so furs can see how the > > fandom has evolved though the decades. Maybe this could become a > > regular presentation at a furry convention. > > Chairo and others at FC/AAE have apparently been working on some aspects of that with the AFR: > http://www.flayrah.com/3967#comment-48765 > It appears to be FC-specific - mostly because that's what they have to hand. It might be a start, though. > > Long-term, that's something I could imagine being involved in (though I can't provide much in the way of material), but should set up that 501(c)(3) furry foundation to run it first . . . > > -- > Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry > http://greenreaper.co.uk - http://wikifur.com - http://flayrah.com > "Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?" > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wonder_moose_blue at yahoo.com Tue Apr 10 14:59:19 2012 From: wonder_moose_blue at yahoo.com (Mark Sinicki) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FL: Want to see your suit in a museum? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1334084359.86684.YahooMailNeo@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I know a certain coyote who just retired his fursuit last year--but don't cry--he's still in the game. This would be a good place for it to go so others may appreciate it. ? RT Coyote ________________________________ From: Laurence Parry To: fursuit-list at fursuit.org Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:10 AM Subject: FL: Want to see your suit in a museum? A posting on behalf of Fred Patten ( http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Fred_Patten ), cross-posted to fursuitlounge --- I know from discussions with the librarians at the University of California at Riverside Library that they would love to get some donations of fursuits for the Library's Eaton Collection of Science Fiction & Fantasy. ( http://eaton.ucr.edu/ ) The Eaton Collection has one of the largest archives in the world of materials relating to the history of Furry fandom ( http://eaton.ucr.edu/othercollection.html ), but it does not have any fursuits. --- There's been some talk of the disposal of old fursuits on the fursuit LiveJournal ( http://fursuit.livejournal.com/4840115.html ), but I think this is better than most of the ideas floated - anyone interested in donating to a good cause? (I'm sure they'd take just a head if you only have that.) -- Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry http://greenreaper.co.uk - http://wikifur.com - http://flayrah.com "Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?" _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stego at cpl.net Sun May 6 15:49:45 2012 From: stego at cpl.net (Stego S. Aurus) Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 12:49:45 -0700 Subject: FL: Non-aerosol Alternative to Wal-Bac/End-Bac In-Reply-To: <1334084359.86684.YahooMailNeo@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1334084359.86684.YahooMailNeo@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FA6D5D9.70509@cpl.net> Hey there (whoevers left!) A Good friend of mine who has been filled in on Fursuiting (and the need for us to be able to clean in the suits between wears) found an interesting Non-Aerosol product which might help us out: Designed for Incontinence, the product is called "Ca-Rezz", a No Rinse Wash, which "is Intended for Frequent Daily Use" and can be sprayed directly onto Skin, Pads, Linen, and Clothing." http://www.amazon.com/FNC-Medical-Ca-Rezz%C2%AE-Wash-Spray/dp/B001MUAB56 Has anyone else tried using this? I sure am going to give it a try! -Stego From recherei at yahoo.com Mon May 7 01:04:47 2012 From: recherei at yahoo.com (Recherei) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 22:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FL: Non-aerosol Alternative to Wal-Bac/End-Bac In-Reply-To: <4FA6D5D9.70509@cpl.net> References: <1334084359.86684.YahooMailNeo@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4FA6D5D9.70509@cpl.net> Message-ID: <1336367087.97467.YahooMailNeo@web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sounds like the perfect product for fanboys too. ________________________________ From: Stego S. Aurus To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 3:49 PM Subject: FL: Non-aerosol Alternative to Wal-Bac/End-Bac Hey there (whoevers left!) ? A Good friend of mine who has been filled in on Fursuiting (and the need for us to be able to clean in the suits between wears) found an interesting Non-Aerosol product which might help us out: Designed for Incontinence, the product is called "Ca-Rezz", a No Rinse Wash, which "is Intended for Frequent Daily Use" and can be sprayed directly onto Skin, Pads, Linen, and Clothing." ? http://www.amazon.com/FNC-Medical-Ca-Rezz%C2%AE-Wash-Spray/dp/B001MUAB56 Has anyone else tried using this? I sure am going to give it a try! -Stego _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.kalkbrenner at maskottchen-germany.de Mon May 7 02:34:42 2012 From: m.kalkbrenner at maskottchen-germany.de (Markus Kalkbrenner - Maskottchen Germany) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 08:34:42 +0200 Subject: FL: Finaly done - MLP Pony Costumes G4 Boomerang Bugger and Crokny G3 Pony In-Reply-To: <4FA6D5D9.70509@cpl.net> References: <1334084359.86684.YahooMailNeo@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4FA6D5D9.70509@cpl.net> Message-ID: <899238327.20120507083442@maskottchen-germany.de> Hi Folks After developing my digital costume construction i would like present the first costume of this row. Costume been modelled and done via CAD - Head Vacuum Thermoformed total weight 450Gr. with headgear. 100% Own design special made for Australia visit. First appearance FurDu 2012 Surfers Paradise Furry Convention - Boomerang Bugger is the Name. http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911762/ http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911787/ http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911728/ And Crokny G3 Based Crocodile / Pony mix. http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911676/ http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911666/ http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911664/ Costume Design is now available for production. All I need is a Picture of a pony creator and a Tapedummy. Prices start from 1600 Euro for a Earth pony Regards Atalon the Deer From jonathan.oppeel at telenet.be Mon May 7 11:12:05 2012 From: jonathan.oppeel at telenet.be (jonathan.oppeel at telenet.be) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 17:12:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: FL: Finaly done - MLP Pony Costumes G4 Boomerang Bugger and Crokny G3 Pony In-Reply-To: <899238327.20120507083442@maskottchen-germany.de> Message-ID: <6aa864de-1bfc-44fa-b8c8-f6c995ba0706@chioma.telenet-ops.be> do you do payment plans ? ----- Oorspronkelijk e-mail ----- Van: "Markus Kalkbrenner - Maskottchen Germany" Aan: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Verzonden: Maandag 7 mei 2012 08:34:42 Onderwerp: FL: Finaly done - MLP Pony Costumes G4 Boomerang Bugger and Crokny G3 Pony Hi Folks After developing my digital costume construction i would like present the first costume of this row. Costume been modelled and done via CAD - Head Vacuum Thermoformed total weight 450Gr. with headgear. 100% Own design special made for Australia visit. First appearance FurDu 2012 Surfers Paradise Furry Convention - Boomerang Bugger is the Name. http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911762/ http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911787/ http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911728/ And Crokny G3 Based Crocodile / Pony mix. http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911676/ http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911666/ http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7911664/ Costume Design is now available for production. All I need is a Picture of a pony creator and a Tapedummy. Prices start from 1600 Euro for a Earth pony Regards Atalon the Deer _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register From foxwolfac at gmail.com Mon May 7 11:37:59 2012 From: foxwolfac at gmail.com (Foxwolf 9-Tails) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:37:59 -0400 Subject: FL: Non-aerosol Alternative to Wal-Bac/End-Bac In-Reply-To: <1336367087.97467.YahooMailNeo@web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1334084359.86684.YahooMailNeo@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4FA6D5D9.70509@cpl.net> <1336367087.97467.YahooMailNeo@web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: HAH, oh so true. >.< Too true almost. :-P -Siekhal On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Recherei wrote: > Sounds like the perfect product for fanboys too. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Stego S. Aurus > *To:* fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org > *Sent:* Sunday, May 6, 2012 3:49 PM > *Subject:* FL: Non-aerosol Alternative to Wal-Bac/End-Bac > > Hey there (whoevers left!) > > A Good friend of mine who has been filled in on Fursuiting (and the need > for us to be able to clean in the suits between wears) found an interesting > Non-Aerosol product which might help us out: > > Designed for Incontinence, the product is called "Ca-Rezz", a No Rinse > Wash, which "is Intended for Frequent Daily Use" and can be sprayed > directly onto Skin, Pads, Linen, and Clothing." > > http://www.amazon.com/FNC-Medical-Ca-Rezz%C2%AE-Wash-Spray/dp/B001MUAB56 > > Has anyone else tried using this? I sure am going to give it a try! > > -Stego > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > > > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I hope you luck From tycho at ws6transam.org Tue Jun 26 23:11:51 2012 From: tycho at ws6transam.org (Tycho Brahe) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 23:11:51 -0400 Subject: FL: Tycho Aussie fursuit video on Youtube Message-ID: <441b0c19be123db22f810de5e501c0ea.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> Hello group, Thanks for the help over the past year or two, I just wanted to follow up with Marc Wolf, and others on the list who helped me brainstorm how I could use my fursuit in the community setting. Well, things seem to be taking off, perhaps almost uncomfortably fast, as the last two events I attended, I couldn't actually find a way to get back to a cooldown area until over two hours had passed... People are fascinated with Tycho Aussie here in the area, especially the kids. I've already been asked to return for the 2013 festival by our township's parks & recreation director, and been interviewed for a feature on the local cable TV station. I'm trying to be a good ambassador, and offer up a sense of the whimsical for all ages, and it's been almost intoxicating fun in every way. I have had to rely heavily on my kids to be my eyes, water bearers, handlers, and photographers, and they have risen to the challenge in such fine fashion. I am so proud of them. So tonight, I was awestruck to receive this link from the editor who is putting the feature together on Tycho Aussie. I've personally never seen a fursuiter in public, and until two months ago, never even seen a fursuit (Other than Grubbs Grizzly's until mine arrived from Lilleah West's Beastcub Creations. Then, tonight, I finally saw what Tycho Aussie looks like when brought to life. So here's the content that will become a feature on an award winning local community news program. I think you might like it, even if it's rather raw, without the finishing touches like the soundtrack or introduction that you get from a finished program. Watch the reactions of delight from the community: they are all I could hope for, and more. Lauren Ragan was the videographer and editor, and this is her work at introducing Tycho to our community. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj5EzCWlp4g -- Inquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by necessity. From scape at scape-thegoat.com Wed Jun 27 08:10:48 2012 From: scape at scape-thegoat.com (Scapegoat) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 08:10:48 -0400 Subject: FL: Tycho Aussie fursuit video on Youtube In-Reply-To: <441b0c19be123db22f810de5e501c0ea.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> References: <441b0c19be123db22f810de5e501c0ea.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> Message-ID: Bravo! This totally makes my day ^_^ ~Scape On Jun 26, 2012, at 11:11 PM, "Tycho Brahe" wrote: Hello group, Thanks for the help over the past year or two, I just wanted to follow up with Marc Wolf, and others on the list who helped me brainstorm how I could use my fursuit in the community setting. Well, things seem to be taking off, perhaps almost uncomfortably fast, as the last two events I attended, I couldn't actually find a way to get back to a cooldown area until over two hours had passed... People are fascinated with Tycho Aussie here in the area, especially the kids. I've already been asked to return for the 2013 festival by our township's parks & recreation director, and been interviewed for a feature on the local cable TV station. I'm trying to be a good ambassador, and offer up a sense of the whimsical for all ages, and it's been almost intoxicating fun in every way. I have had to rely heavily on my kids to be my eyes, water bearers, handlers, and photographers, and they have risen to the challenge in such fine fashion. I am so proud of them. So tonight, I was awestruck to receive this link from the editor who is putting the feature together on Tycho Aussie. I've personally never seen a fursuiter in public, and until two months ago, never even seen a fursuit (Other than Grubbs Grizzly's until mine arrived from Lilleah West's Beastcub Creations. Then, tonight, I finally saw what Tycho Aussie looks like when brought to life. So here's the content that will become a feature on an award winning local community news program. I think you might like it, even if it's rather raw, without the finishing touches like the soundtrack or introduction that you get from a finished program. Watch the reactions of delight from the community: they are all I could hope for, and more. Lauren Ragan was the videographer and editor, and this is her work at introducing Tycho to our community. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj5EzCWlp4g -- Inquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by necessity. _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register From thekayakingfox at hotmail.com Wed Jun 27 09:31:34 2012 From: thekayakingfox at hotmail.com (Andrew Morton) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 06:31:34 -0700 Subject: FL: Tycho Aussie fursuit video on Youtube In-Reply-To: <441b0c19be123db22f810de5e501c0ea.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> References: <441b0c19be123db22f810de5e501c0ea.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> Message-ID: This is an amazing piece! Tycho, I think you make a good spokesman ^^ I would be delighted to meet you at some point. Plan on going to any conventions with that suit? Congrats, and keep up the good work! On 6/26/2012 8:11 PM, Tycho Brahe wrote: > Hello group, > Thanks for the help over the past year or two, > > I just wanted to follow up with Marc Wolf, and others on the list who > helped me brainstorm how I could use my fursuit in the community setting. > Well, things seem to be taking off, perhaps almost uncomfortably fast, as > the last two events I attended, I couldn't actually find a way to get back > to a cooldown area until over two hours had passed... People are > fascinated with Tycho Aussie here in the area, especially the kids. I've > already been asked to return for the 2013 festival by our township's parks > & recreation director, and been interviewed for a feature on the local > cable TV station. > > I'm trying to be a good ambassador, and offer up a sense of the whimsical > for all ages, and it's been almost intoxicating fun in every way. I have > had to rely heavily on my kids to be my eyes, water bearers, handlers, and > photographers, and they have risen to the challenge in such fine fashion. > I am so proud of them. > > So tonight, I was awestruck to receive this link from the editor who is > putting the feature together on Tycho Aussie. I've personally never seen a > fursuiter in public, and until two months ago, never even seen a fursuit > (Other than Grubbs Grizzly's until mine arrived from Lilleah West's > Beastcub Creations. Then, tonight, I finally saw what Tycho Aussie looks > like when brought to life. > > So here's the content that will become a feature on an award winning local > community news program. I think you might like it, even if it's rather > raw, without the finishing touches like the soundtrack or introduction > that you get from a finished program. Watch the reactions of delight from > the community: they are all I could hope for, and more. Lauren Ragan was > the videographer and editor, and this is her work at introducing Tycho to > our community. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj5EzCWlp4g > From marcwolf at marcwolf.org Wed Jun 27 09:52:56 2012 From: marcwolf at marcwolf.org (marcwolf.org) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:52:56 +1000 Subject: FL: Tycho Aussie fursuit video on Youtube In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Many thanks for the feenbank and for creating the Magic. It's a wonderfully warming experience to make people smil and laugh. Very glad that your enjoying the fun too Marc > > > On 6/26/2012 8:11 PM, Tycho Brahe wrote: > > Hello group, > > Thanks for the help over the past year or two, > > > > I just wanted to follow up with Marc Wolf, and others on the list who > > helped me brainstorm how I could use my fursuit in the > community setting. > > Well, things seem to be taking off, perhaps almost > uncomfortably fast, as > > the last two events I attended, I couldn't actually find a way > to get back > > to a cooldown area until over two hours had passed... People are > > fascinated with Tycho Aussie here in the area, especially the kids. I've > > already been asked to return for the 2013 festival by our > township's parks > > & recreation director, and been interviewed for a feature on the local > > cable TV station. > > > > I'm trying to be a good ambassador, and offer up a sense of the > whimsical > > for all ages, and it's been almost intoxicating fun in every way. I have > > had to rely heavily on my kids to be my eyes, water bearers, > handlers, and > > photographers, and they have risen to the challenge in such > fine fashion. > > I am so proud of them. > > > > So tonight, I was awestruck to receive this link from the editor who is > > putting the feature together on Tycho Aussie. I've personally > never seen a > > fursuiter in public, and until two months ago, never even seen a fursuit > > (Other than Grubbs Grizzly's until mine arrived from Lilleah West's > > Beastcub Creations. Then, tonight, I finally saw what Tycho Aussie looks > > like when brought to life. > > > > So here's the content that will become a feature on an award > winning local > > community news program. I think you might like it, even if it's rather > > raw, without the finishing touches like the soundtrack or introduction > > that you get from a finished program. Watch the reactions of > delight from > > the community: they are all I could hope for, and more. Lauren Ragan was > > the videographer and editor, and this is her work at > introducing Tycho to > > our community. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj5EzCWlp4g > > > > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register From dlely at juno.com Thu Jun 28 17:33:14 2012 From: dlely at juno.com (dlely at juno.com) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:33:14 -0700 Subject: FL: Tycho Aussie fursuit video on Youtube Message-ID: <20120628.143351.1668.640998@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com> On Tuesday 26 June 2012 Tycho Brahe writes: > Hello group, > Thanks for the help over the past year or two, > > [ . . . ] ... People are fascinated with Tycho Aussie here in the area, > especially the kids. I've already been asked to return for the 2013 > festival by our township's parks & recreation director, and been > interviewed for a feature on the local cable TV station. I can totally see by your YouTube videos why people are fascinated, you've been asked to return, and have been interviewed for a TV feature . . . you are a natural performer! > I'm trying to be a good ambassador, and offer up a sense of the whimsical > for all ages, and it's been almost intoxicating fun in every way. [ . . . ] >From what I can, Tycho, tell you are a superb ambassador both in fursuit and out. Keep up the awesome job! And you know, those whimsical intoxicating feelings are still as strong for me today as they were when I first put on my own fursuit over 13 years ago!! > Inquisitive by nature, bold and honorable through upbringing, brave by > necessity. Ahhhhh, your signature motto makes a whole lot of sense now! David L. Ely - AKA: Scruff E. Coyote - dlely at juno.com "Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions." - Dalai Lama ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4feccdc23f74e24532st01vuc From colifox at hotmail.com Tue Jul 3 18:59:41 2012 From: colifox at hotmail.com (Colifox) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 23:59:41 +0100 Subject: FL: New video - no editing software Message-ID: HI all, got some movie footage from my trip to see Knightwolf the other week that both he and I really want to share. Im currently struggling to get this edited however as its recorded in MP4 and it seems that my editing software, Power Director 8, wont accept it as a recognisable format. I have tried to convert the video using the movie maker supplied with Windows since its the only tool I have left, and its hanging on conversion. This means I have some nice footage of a bound and edged pup whilst getting a prostate massage and cannot share it. Does anyone have any suggestions for software I can use? Where I can get some? I really would like to get this uploaded sometime. Thanks all, Rizzo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cyan.fox at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 19:11:51 2012 From: cyan.fox at gmail.com (AARON LEWIS DINKIN) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 19:11:51 -0400 Subject: FL: New video - no editing software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://virtualdubmod.sourceforge.net/ On Jul 3, 2012 7:00 PM, "Colifox" wrote: > HI all,**** > > ** ** > > got some movie footage from my trip to see Knightwolf the other week that > both he and I really want to share. Im currently struggling to get this > edited however as its recorded in MP4 and it seems that my editing > software, Power Director 8, wont accept it as a recognisable format. I > have tried to convert the video using the movie maker supplied with Windows > since its the only tool I have left, and its hanging on conversion. This > means I have some nice footage of a bound and edged pup whilst getting a > prostate massage and cannot share it.**** > > ** ** > > Does anyone have any suggestions for software I can use? Where I can get > some? I really would like to get this uploaded sometime.**** > > ** ** > > Thanks all,**** > > ** ** > > Rizzo**** > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No apologies necessary. Marc From: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org [mailto:fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org] On Behalf Of Colifox Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2012 11:42 AM To: 'Colifox'; fursuit-list at fursuit.org Subject: FL: Apology So yes, it seems I misdirected an email to this list totally by accident which was of a sensitive nature. The intent therefore was not meant to offend so to anyone that was, apologies. Regards, Rizzo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hyenafur at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 10:06:23 2012 From: hyenafur at gmail.com (Laphin Hyena) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 10:06:23 -0400 Subject: FL: HAPPY 4th of July! Message-ID: Hey guys, wanted to wish you all a Happy 4th! Doug, (a newbie voice over talent), and myself put together a little shoutout for today! Hope you enjoy it, especially if you are a Looney Tunes fan! It was fun to put together in only 5 hours! http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8335709/ -Laphin Hyena -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skippy at sk1p.com Wed Jul 4 10:23:27 2012 From: skippy at sk1p.com (Zack F) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 10:23:27 -0400 Subject: FL: HAPPY 4th of July! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FF451DF.2090306@sk1p.com> Newbie!? You kidding? Tell him his voices were spot on. Well executed Laphin, this brightened my day. Happy 4th! --skippyfox On 7/4/2012 10:06 AM, Laphin Hyena wrote: > Hey guys, wanted to wish you all a Happy 4th! > Doug, (a newbie voice over talent), and myself put together a little > shoutout for today! Hope you enjoy it, especially if you are a Looney > Tunes fan! > It was fun to put together in only 5 hours! > http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8335709/ > -Laphin Hyena > > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrraccoon at yahoo.com Wed Jul 4 15:37:42 2012 From: jrraccoon at yahoo.com (J.R. Rhoades) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 12:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FL: Raccoon does second punk rock video In-Reply-To: <441b0c19be123db22f810de5e501c0ea.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> References: <441b0c19be123db22f810de5e501c0ea.squirrel@emailmg.startlogic.com> Message-ID: <1341430662.75899.YahooMailNeo@web161303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi all. Seems to be video season. I know I don't post often, but I had to share my latest fursuit adventure. While some of you are being upstanding members of the community and ambassadors of furdom, I guess I'm rolling around in the trash heep.,?literary, doing another punk rock video. Friends of mine asked me help with their latest music video, after seeing me in The Briefs movie. I supplied fursuits and puppets, got to?perform, getting alot ?of camera time. I also had input in the video shoot. This is my first experience with green screen, it was interesting. The band, The Fun Police, are a punk / americana band from Tacoma Washington , their videos are DIY as you can see,?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZo1Av06eF8?. I would like your input here, and so would the band on YouTube. Thanks Rocky aka Rocker Raccoon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jettris at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 02:45:10 2012 From: jettris at gmail.com (Jettris) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 02:45:10 -0400 Subject: FL: [FursuitYiff] New video - no editing software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I know you sent this to the wrong mailing list and already apologized and whatnot, but I figured I'd recommend a video converter anyways. Mpeg Streamclip does a wonderful job and it's free. I'm a film student and this is my go-to software when I need to get files into the right format for my editing software. You can download it for either Mac or Windows here. http://www.squared5.com/ Best of luck, - Jettris On Jul 3, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Colifox wrote: > HI all, > > got some movie footage from my trip to see Knightwolf the other week that both he and I really want to share. Im currently struggling to get this edited however as its recorded in MP4 and it seems that my editing software, Power Director 8, wont accept it as a recognisable format. I have tried to convert the video using the movie maker supplied with Windows since its the only tool I have left, and its hanging on conversion. This means I have some nice footage of a bound and edged pup whilst getting a prostate massage and cannot share it. > > Does anyone have any suggestions for software I can use? Where I can get some? I really would like to get this uploaded sometime. > > Thanks all, > > Rizzo > > (sorry if this comes through twice, got the formatting wrong in the email) > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hope this helps someone and feel free to email me any further questions. -Jettris From jimwolf21 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 19:34:51 2012 From: jimwolf21 at yahoo.com (Jimmy Wolf) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FL: Endbac or similar sprays In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1341876891.39174.YahooMailNeo@web162806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I know some people use this type of stuff for foam heads. I dunno if it's still popular at all or not. Has anyone used these sprays for fursuit heads that have the foam inside the head covered by cotton/lycra for comfort? - Jimmy Wolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From minnieme4rl at aol.com Mon Jul 9 19:50:45 2012 From: minnieme4rl at aol.com (Minnie) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:50:45 -0700 Subject: FL: Endbac or similar sprays In-Reply-To: <1341876891.39174.YahooMailNeo@web162806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1341876891.39174.YahooMailNeo@web162806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53475CFF-EDE8-4E14-AC12-46712C0247F5@aol.com> Yes, it's still used. The Walmart-brand disinfectant spray is just as effective as Endbac, cheaper, and easier to fine. It's used on both suits and heads, including foam heads. Let the head air out after spraying before wearing though. The best thing would to be to spray the inside of the head after use and let it air out overnight before wearing it again. I personally don't use any sprays since I'm allergic to them. ? Minnie Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Jimmy Wolf wrote: > I know some people use this type of stuff for foam heads. I dunno if it's still popular at all or not. Has anyone used these sprays for fursuit heads that have the foam inside the head covered by cotton/lycra for comfort? > > - Jimmy Wolf > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sunfire at usa.com Mon Jul 9 20:12:32 2012 From: sunfire at usa.com (Raymond Sammarco) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 20:12:32 -0400 Subject: FL: Endbac or similar sprays Message-ID: <20120710001232.17790@gmx.com> Duncan and I use Misty 2 disinfectant/deodorant spray. It smells a lot nicer than Endbac and works very well! Duncan's fursuit head is foam and his other fursuit head (Evil Duncan) is foam with a balaclava. Here is what it looks like: http://www.samsclub.com/sams/shop/product.jsp?productId=prod340304&refcd=GL05251200010023&pid=_CSE_Google_PLA_Janitorial&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=sku644673 Many different sites sell it at various prices. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy Wolf Sent: 07/09/12 07:34 PM To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Subject: FL: Endbac or similar sprays I know some people use this type of stuff for foam heads. I dunno if it's still popular at all or not. Has anyone used these sprays for fursuit heads that have the foam inside the head covered by cotton/lycra for comfort? - Jimmy Wolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From YappyFox at thefoxden.com Mon Jul 9 20:24:34 2012 From: YappyFox at thefoxden.com (YappyFox at thefoxden.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 20:24:34 -0400 Subject: FL: Endbac or similar sprays In-Reply-To: <1341876891.39174.YahooMailNeo@web162806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1341876891.39174.YahooMailNeo@web162806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <11FAD58E-76C4-4527-8FF7-847269674A78@thefoxden.com> I just made a big post about this over on fursuit LJ.. First thing to know.. Endbac, or any of the clones, use propellants that are the solvants that are used to make foam rubber.. so everytime you spray your foam head with endbac, you slowly disintegrate the foam. I have lost a couple of my earlier heads within a couple years of use, via dilligent use of endbac. Also, it says right on those cans, to only use on non-pourous surfaces. You are putting extreme germ killers in direct contact with your face when they soak into the fabrics and foams of your head. They are not very healthy for you. Alternative #1 mix isopropal (rubbing) alcohol and water (50-50 mix) and spray that inside the head to kill the ickies. It will evaporate fast, and is less toxic for you. second product, see here: http://fursuit.livejournal.com/5324500.html On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Jimmy Wolf wrote: > I know some people use this type of stuff for foam heads. I dunno if it's still popular at all or not. Has anyone used these sprays for fursuit heads that have the foam inside the head covered by cotton/lycra for comfort? > > - Jimmy Wolf > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register From fuzzyroo at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 20:55:38 2012 From: fuzzyroo at gmail.com (Fuzzy Roo) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 19:55:38 -0500 Subject: FL: Endbac or similar sprays In-Reply-To: <1341876891.39174.YahooMailNeo@web162806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1341876891.39174.YahooMailNeo@web162806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Lysol works pretty good too. And if your suit is dry enough after a night of wear at a con, febreeze can be a quick fresher too. Posted with HTC Droid phone...damn you auto correct! On Jul 9, 2012 6:35 PM, "Jimmy Wolf" wrote: > I know some people use this type of stuff for foam heads. I dunno if it's > still popular at all or not. Has anyone used these sprays for fursuit heads > that have the foam inside the head covered by cotton/lycra for comfort? > > - Jimmy Wolf > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wallyfox98 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 21:21:20 2012 From: wallyfox98 at hotmail.com (Wally_Wabbit/Stephen H./Wallyfox) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 21:21:20 -0400 Subject: FL: Endbac or similar sprays In-Reply-To: <11FAD58E-76C4-4527-8FF7-847269674A78@thefoxden.com> References: , <1341876891.39174.YahooMailNeo@web162806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <11FAD58E-76C4-4527-8FF7-847269674A78@thefoxden.com> Message-ID: I know Endbac comes in an non-aerosol liquid. Found this out I stopped into a local Janitorial supply house looking for the spray can and all they had was a jug of endbac or something similar. Wonder if something like this would work?- http://www.metrex.com/surface-MetriGuard Wally_Wabbit Wally_Wabbit on IRC/Yiffnet/Anthrochat wallyfox2001 on yahoo messenger wwabbit01 on AIM Wally_Wabbit on Livejournal and Twitter > From: YappyFox at thefoxden.com > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 20:24:34 -0400 > To: jimwolf21 at yahoo.com; fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org > Subject: Re: FL: Endbac or similar sprays > > I just made a big post about this over on fursuit LJ.. > > First thing to know.. Endbac, or any of the clones, use propellants that are the solvants that are used to make foam rubber.. so everytime you spray your foam head with endbac, you slowly disintegrate the foam. I have lost a couple of my earlier heads within a couple years of use, via dilligent use of endbac. Also, it says right on those cans, to only use on non-pourous surfaces. You are putting extreme germ killers in direct contact with your face when they soak into the fabrics and foams of your head. They are not very healthy for you. > > Alternative #1 mix isopropal (rubbing) alcohol and water (50-50 mix) and spray that inside the head to kill the ickies. It will evaporate fast, and is less toxic for you. > > second product, see here: > > http://fursuit.livejournal.com/5324500.html > > > > On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Jimmy Wolf wrote: > > > I know some people use this type of stuff for foam heads. I dunno if it's still popular at all or not. Has anyone used these sprays for fursuit heads that have the foam inside the head covered by cotton/lycra for comfort? > > > > - Jimmy Wolf > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > Fursuit Mail list. > > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Has anyone used these sprays for fursuit heads that have the foam inside the head covered by cotton/lycra for comfort? - Jimmy Wolf _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donkeyears at gmail.com Sun Jul 22 10:31:44 2012 From: donkeyears at gmail.com (Donkey) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 09:31:44 -0500 Subject: FL: Endbac or similar sprays In-Reply-To: <1341889008.95857.YahooMailNeo@web65904.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <1341876891.39174.YahooMailNeo@web162806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1341889008.95857.YahooMailNeo@web65904.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you want to see a *REALLY* bad student film on the subject of furry. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_Zmyny1EHc&feature=g-vrec About the only thing that is good about it is the idea behind the film. This is a bad film for high school students let alone the collage students that did make it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sunfire at usa.com Sun Jul 22 11:34:15 2012 From: sunfire at usa.com (Raymond Sammarco) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 11:34:15 -0400 Subject: FL: Endbac or similar sprays Message-ID: <20120722153415.17790@gmx.com> What is so bad about it? It doesn't end up being the typical "furries are fetish freaks!" documentaries we usually see all over the Internet and television. If you think you could do a better film, get a camera and start filming and directing! ----- Original Message ----- From: Donkey Sent: 07/22/12 10:31 AM To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Subject: Re: FL: Endbac or similar sprays If you want to see a *REALLY* bad student film on the subject of furry. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_Zmyny1EHc&feature=g-vrec About the only thing that is good about it is the idea behind the film. 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URL: From shepherdslinks at gmail.com Sun Jul 22 14:20:28 2012 From: shepherdslinks at gmail.com (OzzayDog DonovanHoss) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 14:20:28 -0400 Subject: FL: Endbac or similar sprays In-Reply-To: References: <1341876891.39174.YahooMailNeo@web162806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1341889008.95857.YahooMailNeo@web65904.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This hurts SOOO much! >.< On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Donkey wrote: > If you want to see a *REALLY* bad student film on the subject of furry. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_Zmyny1EHc&feature=g-vrec > > About the only thing that is good about it is the idea behind the film. > This is a bad film for high school students let alone the collage students > that did make it. > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you think you could do a better film, get a camera and > start filming and directing! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Donkey > > Sent: 07/22/12 10:31 AM > > To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org > > Subject: Re: FL: Endbac or similar sprays > > If you want to see a *REALLY* bad student film on the subject of furry. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_Zmyny1EHc&feature=g-vrec > > About the only thing that is good about it is the idea behind the film. > This is a bad film for high school students let alone the collage students > that did make it. > > > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrbunny666 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 22 16:29:10 2012 From: mrbunny666 at yahoo.com (Bunny) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1342988950.87621.YahooMailNeo@web161502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Agreed on Bitter Lake! My biggest 2 sticklers on the film: The sword fight left a bad taste in my mouth. But the BIG one is this: If you watch the making of the film, he put a metric-ton of effort into sounds. YET! Why does not 1 bit of dialogue have any "room ambiance" effects on them? All talking sounds like they are in a studio, not outside or in a room. Otherwise, I loved it. ________________________________ From: Donkey To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 1:21 PM Subject: FL: Bad furry collage student film I am not a collage student that has been taking classes for years in how to make a film. Despite that I am not in collage learning how to create a film I think that I could not do any worse at acting or directing. The furry film "Bitter Lake" was created by furs that had never acted or directed before they made their film and "Bitter Lake" came out a great deal better. I am sorry that I forgot to change the subject line. I did correct that. On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Raymond Sammarco wrote: What is so bad about it?? It doesn't end up being the typical "furries are fetish freaks!" documentaries we usually see all over the Internet and television.? If you think you could do a better film, get a camera and start filming and directing!? > > >? >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Donkey >>Sent: 07/22/12 10:31 AM >>To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org >>Subject: Re: FL: Endbac or similar sprays >> >> >>If you want to see a REALLY bad student film on the subject of furry. >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_Zmyny1EHc&feature=g-vrec >> >>About the only thing that is good about it is the idea behind the film. This is a bad film for high school students let alone the collage students that did make it. >? >_______________________________________________ >_______________________________________________ >Fursuit Mail list. >To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From liondarky at gmail.com Sun Jul 22 16:45:58 2012 From: liondarky at gmail.com (Reeve) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 22:45:58 +0200 Subject: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake In-Reply-To: <1342988950.87621.YahooMailNeo@web161502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1342988950.87621.YahooMailNeo@web161502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <500C6686.2030508@gmail.com> I agree that Bitter Lake was a bit disappointing on some parts of it. Nonetheless, it's easy to criticize others, but I don't think it's fair when we can't do better ourselves :/ I'm not judging anyone here, i'm just saying, until I see a "perfect furry movie", this one stays the best i've ever seen so far. More time, effort and skill than in any other i've seen made by furry amateurs to date :) Le 22/07/12 22:29, Bunny a ?crit : > Agreed on Bitter Lake! > My biggest 2 sticklers on the film: > > The sword fight left a bad taste in my mouth. > > But the BIG one is this: > If you watch the making of the film, he put a metric-ton of effort > into sounds. > YET! > Why does not 1 bit of dialogue have any "room ambiance" effects on them? > All talking sounds like they are in a studio, not outside or in a room. > > Otherwise, I loved it. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Donkey > *To:* fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org > *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2012 1:21 PM > *Subject:* FL: Bad furry collage student film > > I am not a collage student that has been taking classes for years in > how to make a film. > > Despite that I am not in collage learning how to create a film I think > that I could not do any worse at acting or directing. > > The furry film "Bitter Lake" was created by furs that had never acted > or directed before they made their film and "Bitter Lake" came out a > great deal better. > > I am sorry that I forgot to change the subject line. I did correct that. > > On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Raymond Sammarco > wrote: > > What is so bad about it? It doesn't end up being the typical > "furries are fetish freaks!" documentaries we usually see all over > the Internet and television. If you think you could do a better > film, get a camera and start filming and directing! > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Donkey >> Sent: 07/22/12 10:31 AM >> To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org >> >> Subject: Re: FL: Endbac or similar sprays >> >> If you want to see a *REALLY* bad student film on the subject of >> furry. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_Zmyny1EHc&feature=g-vrec >> >> About the only thing that is good about it is the idea behind the >> film. This is a bad film for high school students let alone the >> collage students that did make it. > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > > > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > > > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bdbfox at outgun.com Sun Jul 22 18:20:53 2012 From: bdbfox at outgun.com (Damian K) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:20:53 -0400 Subject: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake Message-ID: <20120722222054.34150@gmx.com> Actually that's perftectly fair and legitimate. You don't need to have run a fortune 500 company to realize the Enron was a pathetic failure in every moral or fiscal scale in which you can judge a company. If a fancy restaurant serves you a literal cat turd the chef could say "How many years did YOU study at the Cordon Bleu institute?" but that won't turn what's on your plate into not-a-cat-turd. We are all capable of judging things relative to our expreience in related subjects. Being both furries and, presumably, people who have watch other movies in our lives, we are capable of analyzing a movie, weighing its features and shortcomings and comparing it relative to other movies and our life experience. Even if I did make a movie and even if my movie were terrible the movie in question would remain at it is, to be judged on its own merits. You may say it's the best you've seen so far but best does not logically correlate to good or even anywhere inthe the mediocre bell curve or better. Logic implies that even terrible things will have a "best" by virtue of being least worst. There is a best Uwe Boll movie, a best ethnic genocide, a best quarapeligic martial artist and in the cases where the total set of qualified items is one the best must also be the worst. If someone does not like this movie they have their reasons. You're free to inqure to, debate and discuss those reasons but don't trry to serve up a cat turd then act like we're the ones who did something wrong. -Damian Hypocrisy is so despised that many become consistently horrible people in order to avoid it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Reeve Sent: 07/22/12 04:45 PM To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Subject: Re: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake I agree that Bitter Lake was a bit disappointing on some parts of it. Nonetheless, it's easy to criticize others, but I don't think it's fair when we can't do better ourselves :/ I'm not judging anyone here, i'm just saying, until I see a "perfect furry movie", this one stays the best i've ever seen so far. More time, effort and skill than in any other i've seen made by furry amateurs to date :) Le 22/07/12 22:29, Bunny a ?crit : > Agreed on Bitter Lake! > My biggest 2 sticklers on the film: > > The sword fight left a bad taste in my mouth. > > But the BIG one is this: > If you watch the making of the film, he put a metric-ton of effort > into sounds. > YET! > Why does not 1 bit of dialogue have any "room ambiance" effects on them? > All talking sounds like they are in a studio, not outside or in a room. > > Otherwise, I loved it. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Donkey > *To:* fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org > *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2012 1:21 PM > *Subject:* FL: Bad furry collage student film > > I am not a collage student that has been taking classes for years in > how to make a film. > > Despite that I am not in collage learning how to create a film I think > that I could not do any worse at acting or directing. > > The furry film "Bitter Lake" was created by furs that had never acted > or directed before they made their film and "Bitter Lake" came out a > great deal better. > > I am sorry that I forgot to change the subject line. I did correct that. > > On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Raymond Sammarco > wrote: > > What is so bad about it? It doesn't end up being the typical > "furries are fetish freaks!" documentaries we usually see all over > the Internet and television. If you think you could do a better > film, get a camera and start filming and directing! > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Donkey >> Sent: 07/22/12 10:31 AM >> To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org >> >> Subject: Re: FL: Endbac or similar sprays >> >> If you want to see a *REALLY* bad student film on the subject of >> furry. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_Zmyny1EHc&feature=g-vrec >> >> About the only thing that is good about it is the idea behind the >> film. 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URL: From recherei at yahoo.com Sun Jul 22 18:29:12 2012 From: recherei at yahoo.com (Recherei) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FL: Bad furry collage student film In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1342996152.76256.YahooMailNeo@web39403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Most high school students can spell "college", and know the difference between that and "collage". ________________________________ From: Donkey To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 4:21 PM Subject: FL: Bad furry collage student film I am not a collage student that has been taking classes for years in how to make a film. Despite that I am not in collage learning how to create a film I think that I could not do any worse at acting or directing. The furry film "Bitter Lake" was created by furs that had never acted or directed before they made their film and "Bitter Lake" came out a great deal better. I am sorry that I forgot to change the subject line. I did correct that. On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Raymond Sammarco wrote: What is so bad about it?? It doesn't end up being the typical "furries are fetish freaks!" documentaries we usually see all over the Internet and television.? If you think you could do a better film, get a camera and start filming and directing!? > > >? >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Donkey >>Sent: 07/22/12 10:31 AM >>To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org >>Subject: Re: FL: Endbac or similar sprays >> >> >>If you want to see a REALLY bad student film on the subject of furry. >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_Zmyny1EHc&feature=g-vrec >> >>About the only thing that is good about it is the idea behind the film. This is a bad film for high school students let alone the collage students that did make it. >? >_______________________________________________ >_______________________________________________ >Fursuit Mail list. >To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcwolf at marcwolf.org Sun Jul 22 19:30:16 2012 From: marcwolf at marcwolf.org (David Boccabella) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:30:16 +1000 Subject: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake In-Reply-To: <20120722222054.34150@gmx.com> References: <20120722222054.34150@gmx.com> Message-ID: <005501cd6861$f63f4370$e2bdca50$@marcwolf.org> With the swod fight. It's very difficult to do a Errol Flynn sword-fight when one has very limited vision. You have to chorograph everything even then there will be gaps because the actors cannot fully compensate with the vision. I thought that Bitter Lake was a great movie and that in many ways it was a pioneer of furry movies to come. Take Care Marc. Those who can do. Those who cannot do help those who can And those who can do niether become film critics -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcwolf at marcwolf.org Sun Jul 22 19:35:32 2012 From: marcwolf at marcwolf.org (David Boccabella) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:35:32 +1000 Subject: FL: Real Time Lipsyncing for advanced fursuits Message-ID: <006801cd6862$b2353e90$169fbbb0$@marcwolf.org> Here is a project I am working on. Some folks might find it interesting. Marc http://letsmakerobots.com/node/33501 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donkeyears at gmail.com Sun Jul 22 20:33:11 2012 From: donkeyears at gmail.com (Donkey) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:33:11 -0500 Subject: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake In-Reply-To: <1342988950.87621.YahooMailNeo@web161502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1342988950.87621.YahooMailNeo@web161502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: They may not be furries at all. Their really crappy costumes say they are not furs. The costumes they used where eather rented or badly thrown together. I mean really, what fur in their right mind would spend $2,000 on a fursuit as really crappy as that wolf costume? What they are are college students that are making a film for their college degree. If it was just furs putting together a film about being a fur I would not have broght it up. I broght it up because they are college students that are trying to make a film for their college degree. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcwolf at marcwolf.org Sun Jul 22 22:10:07 2012 From: marcwolf at marcwolf.org (David Boccabella) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:10:07 +1000 Subject: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake In-Reply-To: References: <1342988950.87621.YahooMailNeo@web161502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007d01cd6878$4a6db380$df491a80$@marcwolf.org> Err. Donkey. Are we talking the same movie "Bitter Lake". Did you see the making of it and the preparation that went into it?. The costumes are from Clockwork Creatures http://www.clockworkcreature.com/ which I would classify as a producer of high quality suits. Which wolfsuit were you taking about as there were 2. Colonel Raden Drraer who was the black wolf and Prince Arden who was the white/brown wolf The makers are not college students but are all professionals working in the industry who collaberated to make a Furry movie. Maybe it was not on the same level as Avatar but then again they did not have hollywood funding or the huge team of specialists Have a read of the their website and it has a lot of information on the makers, the suit, and the details. http://bitterlakethemovie.com/ It's easy to belittle other's achievements without even thinking of what it takes to do the same yourslef. I have nothing but the highest praise for the team who made Bitter Lake and look forward to what else that can do. You want to see what they do to make a decent photo of the Colonel? Have a look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_ALxwhMlj8 And no - I am not associated in anyway with the makers Marcwolf From: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org [mailto:fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org] On Behalf Of Donkey Sent: Monday, 23 July 2012 10:33 AM To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Subject: Re: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake They may not be furries at all. Their really crappy costumes say they are not furs. The costumes they used where eather rented or badly thrown together. I mean really, what fur in their right mind would spend $2,000 on a fursuit as really crappy as that wolf costume? What they are are college students that are making a film for their college degree. If it was just furs putting together a film about being a fur I would not have broght it up. I broght it up because they are college students that are trying to make a film for their college degree. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aidenislove at yahoo.com Mon Jul 23 01:12:18 2012 From: aidenislove at yahoo.com (Aiden Raccoon) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 22:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake In-Reply-To: <500C6686.2030508@gmail.com> References: <1342988950.87621.YahooMailNeo@web161502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <500C6686.2030508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1343020338.85500.YahooMailNeo@web163106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I think constructive criticism is much needed.? Even if this was probably the best furry movie to date, it is important to be careful not to just slap a 10/10 rating on it and say it was perfect.? ________________________________ From: Reeve To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 3:45 PM Subject: Re: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake I agree that Bitter Lake was a bit disappointing on some parts of it. Nonetheless, it's easy to criticize others, but I don't think it's fair when we can't do better ourselves :/ I'm not judging anyone here, i'm just saying, until I see a "perfect furry movie", this one stays the best i've ever seen so far. More time, effort and skill than in any other i've seen made by furry amateurs to date :) Le 22/07/12 22:29, Bunny a ?crit?: Agreed on Bitter Lake! >My biggest 2 sticklers on the film: > > >The sword fight left a bad taste in my mouth. > > >But the BIG one is this: >If you watch the making of the film, he put a metric-ton of effort into sounds. >YET! >Why does not 1 bit of dialogue have any "room ambiance" effects on them? >All talking sounds like they are in a studio, not outside or in a room. > > >Otherwise, I loved it. > > > >________________________________ > From: Donkey >To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org >Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 1:21 PM >Subject: FL: Bad furry collage student film > > >I am not a collage student that has been taking classes for years in how to make a film. > >Despite that I am not in collage learning how to create a film I think that I could not do any worse at acting or directing. > >The furry film "Bitter Lake" was created by furs that had never acted or directed before they made their film and "Bitter Lake" came out a great deal better. > >I am sorry that I forgot to change the subject line. I did correct that. > > >On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Raymond Sammarco wrote: > >What is so bad about it?? It doesn't end up being the typical "furries are fetish freaks!" documentaries we usually see all over the Internet and television.? If you think you could do a better film, get a camera and start filming and directing!? >> >> >>? >>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Donkey >>>Sent: 07/22/12 10:31 AM >>>To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org >>>Subject: Re: FL: Endbac or similar sprays >>> >>> >>>If you want to see a REALLY bad student film on the subject of furry. >>> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_Zmyny1EHc&feature=g-vrec >>> >>>About the only thing that is good about it is the idea behind the film. This is a bad film for high school students let alone the collage students that did make it. >>? >>_______________________________________________ >>_______________________________________________ >>Fursuit Mail list. >>To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >> > >_______________________________________________ >_______________________________________________ >Fursuit Mail list. >To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > > > > >_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donkeyears at gmail.com Mon Jul 23 17:25:36 2012 From: donkeyears at gmail.com (Donkey) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:25:36 -0500 Subject: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake In-Reply-To: <007d01cd6878$4a6db380$df491a80$@marcwolf.org> References: <1342988950.87621.YahooMailNeo@web161502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <007d01cd6878$4a6db380$df491a80$@marcwolf.org> Message-ID: Markwolf there are two films being talked about. One is Bitter Lake the other is a *REALLY* bad college student film that was found on YouTube. I would say the two films are the extreme ends of quality. Bitter Lake would be a A++ where the film on YouTube would be a F--. On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 9:10 PM, David Boccabella wrote: > Err. Donkey.**** > > Are we talking the same movie "Bitter Lake". Did you see the making of it > and the preparation that went into it?.**** > > ** ** > > The costumes are from Clockwork Creatures > http://www.clockworkcreature.com/ which I would classify as a producer > of high quality suits. Which wolfsuit were you taking about as there were 2. > Colonel Raden Drraer who was the black wolf and Prince Arden who was the > white/brown wolf**** > > ** ** > > The makers are not college students but are all professionals working in > the industry who collaberated to make a Furry movie. Maybe it was not on > the same level as Avatar but then again they did not have hollywood funding > or the huge team of specialists**** > > ** ** > > Have a read of the their website and it has a lot of information on the > makers, the suit, and the details. http://bitterlakethemovie.com/**** > > ** ** > > It's easy to belittle other's achievements without even thinking of what > it takes to do the same yourslef. I have nothing but the highest praise > for the team who made Bitter Lake and look forward to what else that can do. > **** > > You want to see what they do to make a decent photo of the Colonel? Have a > look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_ALxwhMlj8**** > > ** ** > > And no - I am not associated in anyway with the makers **** > > ** ** > > Marcwolf**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org [mailto: > fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org] *On Behalf Of *Donkey > *Sent:* Monday, 23 July 2012 10:33 AM > *To:* fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org > *Subject:* Re: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake**** > > ** ** > > They may not be furries at all. Their really crappy costumes say they are > not furs. The costumes they used where eather rented or badly thrown > together. I mean really, what fur in their right mind would spend $2,000 on > a fursuit as really crappy as that wolf costume?**** > > What they are are college students that are making a film for their > college degree. **** > > If it was just furs putting together a film about being a fur I would not > have broght it up. I broght it up because they are college students that > are trying to make a film for their college degree.**** > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kattywampus at gmail.com Mon Jul 23 18:36:31 2012 From: kattywampus at gmail.com (Kattywampus) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:36:31 -0700 Subject: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake In-Reply-To: References: <1342988950.87621.YahooMailNeo@web161502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <007d01cd6878$4a6db380$df491a80$@marcwolf.org> Message-ID: That school project, I actually loved. It might have been corny and done with the lowest budget ever, but it had a lot of heart. --CBK From marcwolf at marcwolf.org Mon Jul 23 19:59:56 2012 From: marcwolf at marcwolf.org (David Boccabella) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 09:59:56 +1000 Subject: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake In-Reply-To: References: <1342988950.87621.YahooMailNeo@web161502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <007d01cd6878$4a6db380$df491a80$@marcwolf.org> Message-ID: <003001cd692f$4519a3a0$cf4ceae0$@marcwolf.org> My apologies Donkey. I thought you were talking about Bitter Lake. Yours Sincerely Marc From: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org [mailto:fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org] On Behalf Of Donkey Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2012 7:26 AM To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Subject: Re: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake Markwolf there are two films being talked about. One is Bitter Lake the other is a REALLY bad college student film that was found on YouTube. I would say the two films are the extreme ends of quality. Bitter Lake would be a A++ where the film on YouTube would be a F--. On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 9:10 PM, David Boccabella wrote: Err. Donkey. Are we talking the same movie "Bitter Lake". Did you see the making of it and the preparation that went into it?. The costumes are from Clockwork Creatures http://www.clockworkcreature.com/ which I would classify as a producer of high quality suits. Which wolfsuit were you taking about as there were 2. Colonel Raden Drraer who was the black wolf and Prince Arden who was the white/brown wolf The makers are not college students but are all professionals working in the industry who collaberated to make a Furry movie. Maybe it was not on the same level as Avatar but then again they did not have hollywood funding or the huge team of specialists Have a read of the their website and it has a lot of information on the makers, the suit, and the details. http://bitterlakethemovie.com/ It's easy to belittle other's achievements without even thinking of what it takes to do the same yourslef. I have nothing but the highest praise for the team who made Bitter Lake and look forward to what else that can do. You want to see what they do to make a decent photo of the Colonel? Have a look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_ALxwhMlj8 And no - I am not associated in anyway with the makers Marcwolf From: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org [mailto:fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org] On Behalf Of Donkey Sent: Monday, 23 July 2012 10:33 AM To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Subject: Re: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake They may not be furries at all. Their really crappy costumes say they are not furs. The costumes they used where eather rented or badly thrown together. I mean really, what fur in their right mind would spend $2,000 on a fursuit as really crappy as that wolf costume? What they are are college students that are making a film for their college degree. If it was just furs putting together a film about being a fur I would not have broght it up. I broght it up because they are college students that are trying to make a film for their college degree. _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kattywampus at gmail.com Mon Jul 23 22:44:47 2012 From: kattywampus at gmail.com (Kattywampus) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 19:44:47 -0700 Subject: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake In-Reply-To: References: <1342988950.87621.YahooMailNeo@web161502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Donkey wrote: > They may not be furries at all. Their really crappy costumes say they are > not furs. The costumes they used where eather rented or badly thrown > together. I mean really, what fur in their right mind would spend $2,000 on > a fursuit as really crappy as that wolf costume? First of all, not everyone can afford the finest Rolls Royce brand costumes. So to say just because their costumes weren't top-notch points to them not being furries, is pretty rude. Look around local furmeets and things where everyone tries to make their own. It's pretty obvious that Latin Vixen didn't make every single suit in the furry population. Also, they are a bunch of kids. If you look in the credits, the wolf costume was made by one of the students. Pretty good suit for someone that probably doesn't make them. Secondly, if someone told you to make a movie about furries in a semester, you're obviously not going to get a dozen of Beastcub's finest quadsuits in that length of time. Especially if you have been living off of instant ramen and easy-mac the rest of the time. I would rent a bunch of random $100 animal costumes too. The cinematography, writing, and technical stuff was the point of getting the grade. > What they are are college students that are making a film for their college > degree. > > If it was just furs putting together a film about being a fur I would not > have broght it up. I broght it up because they are college students that are > trying to make a film for their college degree. Right, which is why we should be happy someone tried to do a positive, believable scenario about furries, rather than a "yiff in hell furfags" expose. ESPECIALLY if they're not furries. I support these dudes, 100%. --CBK From YappyFox at thefoxden.com Tue Jul 24 23:46:21 2012 From: YappyFox at thefoxden.com (YappyFox at thefoxden.com) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 23:46:21 -0400 Subject: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake In-Reply-To: References: <1342988950.87621.YahooMailNeo@web161502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <007d01cd6878$4a6db380$df491a80$@marcwolf.org> Message-ID: We actually interviewed the producer/director of the college film project on Funday Pawpet Show a couple weeks ago. It was interesting to hear her perspective, and how they went about making it.. After the interview, the film itself makes a lot more sense from where they were coming from. And yes, the college film was limited to like a $5k budget, so fursuit budget had to be kept under control, and the timeline they had to work with, did not allow them to wait 10 years to get a big name costume. http://pawpet.tv/episode_555 if you want to catch the interview. we showed the movie at 1:00, and the interview at about 1:20. On Jul 23, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Donkey wrote: > Markwolf there are two films being talked about. One is Bitter Lake the other is a REALLY bad college student film that was found on YouTube. I would say the two films are the extreme ends of quality. Bitter Lake would be a A++ where the film on YouTube would be a F--. > > On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 9:10 PM, David Boccabella wrote: > Err. Donkey. > > Are we talking the same movie "Bitter Lake". Did you see the making of it and the preparation that went into it?. > > > > The costumes are from Clockwork Creatures http://www.clockworkcreature.com/ which I would classify as a producer of high quality suits. Which wolfsuit were you taking about as there were 2. Colonel Raden Drraer who was the black wolf and Prince Arden who was the white/brown wolf > > > > The makers are not college students but are all professionals working in the industry who collaberated to make a Furry movie. Maybe it was not on the same level as Avatar but then again they did not have hollywood funding or the huge team of specialists > > > > Have a read of the their website and it has a lot of information on the makers, the suit, and the details. http://bitterlakethemovie.com/ > > > > It's easy to belittle other's achievements without even thinking of what it takes to do the same yourslef. I have nothing but the highest praise for the team who made Bitter Lake and look forward to what else that can do. > > You want to see what they do to make a decent photo of the Colonel? Have a look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_ALxwhMlj8 > > > > And no - I am not associated in anyway with the makers > > > > Marcwolf > > > > > > From: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org [mailto:fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org] On Behalf Of Donkey > Sent: Monday, 23 July 2012 10:33 AM > To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org > Subject: Re: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake > > > > They may not be furries at all. Their really crappy costumes say they are not furs. The costumes they used where eather rented or badly thrown together. I mean really, what fur in their right mind would spend $2,000 on a fursuit as really crappy as that wolf costume? > > What they are are college students that are making a film for their college degree. > > If it was just furs putting together a film about being a fur I would not have broght it up. I broght it up because they are college students that are trying to make a film for their college degree. > > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register From chameleon264 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 25 00:23:17 2012 From: chameleon264 at yahoo.com (Black Foot) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 21:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake In-Reply-To: References: <1342988950.87621.YahooMailNeo@web161502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <007d01cd6878$4a6db380$df491a80$@marcwolf.org> Message-ID: <1343190197.2713.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> yeah I remember that I was in channel and watching your show when you did a phone interview w/her. and for the Bitter Lake one they only worked with what they got and made very little props to help support the location of the scenes and they did some of it at night fall, and they made their own weapons, and rehearsed on how whomever it was suppose to die, cuz I saw a few of Behind the scenes of Bitter Lake. ? Proud & Free To Be A Furry Black Foot. ________________________________ From: "YappyFox at thefoxden.com" To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:46 PM Subject: Re: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake We actually interviewed the producer/director of the college film project on Funday Pawpet Show a couple weeks ago.? It was interesting to hear her perspective, and how they went about making it..? After the interview, the film itself makes a lot more sense from where they were coming from.? And yes, the college film was limited to like a $5k budget, so fursuit budget had to be kept under control, and the timeline they had to work with, did not allow them to wait 10 years to get a big name costume. http://pawpet.tv/episode_555? ? if you want to catch the interview.? we showed the movie at 1:00, and the interview at about 1:20. On Jul 23, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Donkey wrote: > Markwolf there are two films being talked about. One is Bitter Lake the other is a REALLY bad college student film that was found on YouTube. I would say the two films are the extreme ends of quality. Bitter Lake would be a A++ where the film on YouTube would be a F--. > > On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 9:10 PM, David Boccabella wrote: > Err. Donkey. > > Are we talking the same movie "Bitter Lake". Did you see the making of it and the preparation that went into it?. > >? > > The costumes are from Clockwork Creatures? http://www.clockworkcreature.com/? which I would classify as a producer of high quality suits.? Which wolfsuit were you taking about as there were 2.? Colonel Raden Drraer who was the black wolf and Prince Arden who was the white/brown wolf > >? > > The makers are not college students but are all professionals working in the industry who collaberated to make a Furry movie. Maybe it was not on the same level as Avatar but then again they did not have hollywood funding or the huge team of specialists > >? > > Have a read of the their website and it has a lot of information on the makers, the suit, and the details. http://bitterlakethemovie.com/ > >? > > It's easy to belittle other's achievements without even thinking of what it takes to do the same yourslef.? I have nothing but the highest praise for the team who made Bitter Lake and look forward to what else that can do. > > You want to see what they do to make a decent photo of the Colonel? Have a look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_ALxwhMlj8 > >? > > And no - I am not associated in anyway with the makers > >? > > Marcwolf > >? > >? > > From: fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org [mailto:fursuit-list-bounces at lists.fursuit.org] On Behalf Of Donkey > Sent: Monday, 23 July 2012 10:33 AM > To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org > Subject: Re: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake > >? > > They may not be furries at all. Their really crappy costumes say they are not furs. The costumes they used where eather rented or badly thrown together. I mean really, what fur in their right mind would spend $2,000 on a fursuit as really crappy as that wolf costume? > > What they are are college students that are making a film for their college degree. > > If it was just furs putting together a film about being a fur I would not have broght it up. I broght it up because they are college students that are trying to make a film for their college degree. > > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcwolf at marcwolf.org Wed Jul 25 00:26:28 2012 From: marcwolf at marcwolf.org (David Boccabella) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:26:28 +1000 Subject: FL: Comment on Bitter Lake In-Reply-To: References: <1342988950.87621.YahooMailNeo@web161502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <007d01cd6878$4a6db380$df491a80$@marcwolf.org> Message-ID: <002701cd6a1d$abb42c40$031c84c0$@marcwolf.org> I had a chance to catch up with the College movie and I have to agree with Yappy here. It's a nice simple cute movie. Sure the costumes were not the best but the owners wore them with pride as THEIR creations. Comparing between Bitter Lake and Furry I can make the following points. Bitter Lake was a furry movie that was creating the illusion that the world populated by different furkin was real. Wolves, Foxes, and other types lived just as we live in our world. Certainly if the costumes the producers used were the same as in the Furry movie then the illusion of disbelief would have fled quickly. Furry was a movie about Furries, and how they live, have fun, and find love and acceptance in the real world. In truth - when we pull on our fursiuts we become the dashing, amazing characters that is our furry side. Imagination is the key to this as you can ask any kid wearing a pirate hat who beliefs for a short time that they are Capt Jack Sparrow. Sure it's only a hat and a plastic sword but it's the energy and fun that is driving it to make it real. So - two different movies, two different viewpoints on the world, but both can be called Furry. And folks - isn't that the dilemma with being Furry - it meansing something different to each of us. Marc. From marcwolf at marcwolf.org Wed Jul 25 21:04:17 2012 From: marcwolf at marcwolf.org (David Boccabella) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:04:17 +1000 Subject: FL: Stan Winston Studios has a school Message-ID: <005601cd6aca$97bfa630$c73ef290$@marcwolf.org> Anyone who has an interest in Special Effects knows who Stan Winston is. For those who don't he is one of the pioneers of special effects and creature construction. Think the Terminator , Aliens and you start to know who he is. Sadly Stan is no longer with us however his legacy lives on - and this studio as a range on on-line video's (or you can purchase them) on a range of tropics from Cable control (tails, tenticles) , animatronic controls, hair punching ans basically anything else you are intersting in. The prices are pretty good. $49.95 per month for a subscription to all video's, or $19.95 per video (unlimited) You can also buy the DVD's. Each lession is about 2.5 hours long broken into chapters, and they are aimed at the semi competent experimentor.. By that I mean they don't teach you how to drill or cut. It is assumed that you know what a workshop is and ow to do basic skills. Anyway - I'm currently watching the cable one and its fantatastic Take Care Marc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: people might laugh now but they will see the truth very soon do your part http://t.co/5t73JXq1 look what i did From antimon at earthlink.net Tue Sep 4 20:11:57 2012 From: antimon at earthlink.net (antimon at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 18:11:57 -0600 Subject: FL: Fwd: Hey! Message-ID: hey this is coming and you better be ready for it im willing to share this with you if you are ready to grab the bull by the horns http://t.co/31JPJtmR look at how many people have already seen this From tsukasa06 at msn.com Tue Sep 4 17:07:12 2012 From: tsukasa06 at msn.com (Shadow Wolf) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 15:07:12 -0600 Subject: FL: Fwd: Hey! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Antimon, I think your account has been hacked. Got 3 email from you, 2 on the list and one directly to me. I think you need to run a virus scan and change your password. > Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 18:11:57 -0600 > From: antimon at earthlink.net > To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org > Subject: FL: Fwd: Hey! > > hey this is coming and you better be ready for it im willing to share this with you if you are ready to grab the bull by the horns http://t.co/31JPJtmR look at how many people have already seen this > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbencaz at yahoo.com Tue Sep 4 17:15:24 2012 From: mbencaz at yahoo.com (Meaghin Bencaz) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FL: Fwd: Hey! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1346793324.32903.YahooMailNeo@web110109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ________________________________ From: "antimon at earthlink.net" To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 7:11 PM Subject: FL: Fwd: Hey! hey this is coming and you better be ready for it im willing to share this with you if you are ready to grab the bull by the horns http://t.co/31JPJtmR look at how many people have already seen this _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greenreaper at hotmail.com Tue Sep 4 18:09:25 2012 From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (Laurence Parry) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 17:09:25 -0500 Subject: FL: Fwd: Hey! In-Reply-To: <1346793324.32903.YahooMailNeo@web110109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: , <1346793324.32903.YahooMailNeo@web110109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > hey this is coming and you better be ready for it > im willing to share this with you if you are > ready to grab the bull by the horns > . . . > look at how many people have already seen this It's fun to wonder what kind of product might fit this description yet be suitable for promotion here - costume timeshares? Some kind of bovine fursuit? The mind boggles . . . Not quite sure what to make of the last line, yet alone whether I'd want to be one of those people. O_o Yours foolishly, -- Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry http://greenreaper.co.uk - http://wikifur.com - http://www.flayrah.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.kalkbrenner at maskottchen-germany.de Wed Sep 5 03:05:29 2012 From: m.kalkbrenner at maskottchen-germany.de (Markus Kalkbrenner - Maskottchen Germany) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 09:05:29 +0200 Subject: FL: Cute Pony Suits ready In-Reply-To: <1346793324.32903.YahooMailNeo@web110109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1346793324.32903.YahooMailNeo@web110109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1665447367.20120905090529@maskottchen-germany.de> Hi Folks The last weeks and month I been developing my workings complete 3D modelling and 3d printing. Further using Vacuum Forming for the masks. The first example and testing objects been Pony Suits. So far I did a couple of em incl. a Brony Con mascot have fun. https://d.facdn.net/art/atalonthedeer/1346776280.atalonthedeer_canni_galacon.jpg https://d.facdn.net/art/atalonthedeer/1340394542.atalonthedeer_con_kage__lp_ponyroo_01.jpg https://d.facdn.net/art/atalonthedeer/1336151905.atalonthedeer_ponycrocfinal_01_furdu2012.jpg https://d.facdn.net/art/atalonthedeer/1336205325.atalonthedeer_aussie_pony_08_furdu2012.jpg https://d.facdn.net/art/atalonthedeer/1344102152.atalonthedeer_malepony_head_02.jpg greetings Atalon the Deer See my FA site From donkeyears at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 13:15:32 2012 From: donkeyears at gmail.com (Donkey) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 12:15:32 -0500 Subject: FL: Fwd: Hey! In-Reply-To: References: <1346793324.32903.YahooMailNeo@web110109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well I have two bull fusuits and I would not mind having another, but I think I will pass on that computer viris. I don't want another bull fursuit that bad. On Sep 4, 2012 5:10 PM, "Laurence Parry" wrote: > > > hey this is coming and you better be ready for it > > im willing to share this with you if you are > > ready to grab the bull by the horns > > . . . > > > look at how many people have already seen this > > It's fun to wonder what kind of product might fit this description yet be suitable for promotion here - costume timeshares? Some kind of bovine fursuit? The mind boggles . . . > > Not quite sure what to make of the last line, yet alone whether I'd want to be one of those people. O_o > > Yours foolishly, > -- > Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry > http://greenreaper.co.uk - http://wikifur.com - http://www.flayrah.com > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From YappyFox at thefoxden.com Mon Sep 24 21:55:41 2012 From: YappyFox at thefoxden.com (YappyFox at thefoxden.com) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 21:55:41 -0400 Subject: FL: Friggin spam Message-ID: I am aware of a spam epidemic right now.. it seems to be hijacking valid ail and yahoo email addresses, thus is why they are getting thru the mail list protections. I'm not sure how to fix it at the moment, but if it keeps getting out of hand, I will moderate the mail list. From chameleon264 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 25 02:08:34 2012 From: chameleon264 at yahoo.com (Black Foot) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 23:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FL: Friggin spam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1348553314.5458.YahooMailNeo@web121005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> also whomever the moderator is probably approving all of this crap and this needs to stop immediately. I don't like seeing any kind of spam on any group especially on here. I don't mind eating it but this kind of spam tops the cake. ? Proud & Free To Be A Furry Black Foot. ________________________________ From: "YappyFox at thefoxden.com" To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 9:55 PM Subject: FL: Friggin spam I am aware of a spam epidemic right now..? it seems to be hijacking valid ail and yahoo email addresses, thus is why they are getting thru the mail list protections.? I'm not sure how to fix it at the moment, but if it keeps getting out of hand, I will moderate the mail list. _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galen at velocity.net Tue Sep 25 04:09:02 2012 From: galen at velocity.net (FoxWolfie Galen) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 04:09:02 -0400 Subject: FL: Friggin spam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 21:55:41 -0400, YappyFox at thefoxden.com wrote: > I'm not sure how to fix it at the moment, but if it keeps getting out of hand, I will moderate the mail list. Personally, I'd block all mail from gmail, and yahoo, just like lists used to block everything from aol and hotmail. The problem with these email services is that they are free and used by so many people, so they will always attract the spammers. If people would simply use the email address provided by their own ISPs, most of this type of spam would vanish. -- _]\-/[_ galen at velocity.net (FoxWolfie Galen) =_^o^_= http://velocity.net/~galen/ ^U^ AIM: CubCoon From greenreaper at hotmail.com Tue Sep 25 04:29:43 2012 From: greenreaper at hotmail.com (Laurence Parry) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 03:29:43 -0500 Subject: FL: Friggin spam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Personally, I'd block all mail from gmail, and yahoo, just like lists used > to block everything from aol and hotmail. The problem with these email > services is that they are free and used by so many people, so they will > always attract the spammers. If people would simply use the email address > provided by their own ISPs, most of this type of spam would vanish. My ISP is my landlord. I don't have access to the underlying account. 95% of the time, the problem is that people are using terribly short or easy passwords and having their accounts taken over. Secure yourself, people! -- Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry http://greenreaper.co.uk - http://wikifur.com - http://flayrah.com "Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?" From tigrospottystripes at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 04:56:45 2012 From: tigrospottystripes at gmail.com (Tigro Spottystripes) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 05:56:45 -0300 Subject: FL: Friggin spam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My ISP doesn't provide an email, it is just an access provider, not an email provider. A few years ago there was actually quite some fuss over here about it; in the end the law decided in favor of the consumers, now over here we can choose any content provider we want, even none; before that we were forced to pay extra and sign in with one of the content providers that were partners of the access provider; some access providers even tried to lie and say the content provider was a technical necessity in order for the consumer to be able to reach the Internet and after people caught on they even tried actually modifying their systems to make their lie a reality. On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Laurence Parry wrote: > Personally, I'd block all mail from gmail, and yahoo, just like lists used >> to block everything from aol and hotmail. The problem with these email >> services is that they are free and used by so many people, so they will >> always attract the spammers. If people would simply use the email address >> provided by their own ISPs, most of this type of spam would vanish. >> > > My ISP is my landlord. I don't have access to the underlying account. > > 95% of the time, the problem is that people are using terribly short or > easy passwords and having their accounts taken over. Secure yourself, > people! > > -- > Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry > http://greenreaper.co.uk - http://wikifur.com - http://flayrah.com > "Eternity lies ahead of us, and behind. Have you drunk your fill?" > ______________________________**_________________ > ______________________________**_________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_** > mailman_register > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antimon at earthlink.net Tue Sep 25 05:17:22 2012 From: antimon at earthlink.net (Anthony Urzi) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 05:17:22 -0400 Subject: FL: Friggin spam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68CA5C7F5E1147AD9ED3D2830C20B5D9@Antimon8300> The irony in that statement is AOL was an ISP :) People use G-mail cus it blocks spam better then earthlink and yahoo etc in addition to the cost benefit. Plus the intergration into Android. it's mostly the password thing, but even then not so much. Blocking those providers isn't the answer too many people use them that would be an immensely interfering barrier to the usage of the list. For the record when I spammed the list it was my ISP email, earthlink that did it, not my gmail. I think we just need to deal for now, if you can't recognize spam when you see it....you shouldn't be on a mail list is there a filter key we can implement, where messages will get auto rejected if a keyword isn't present in subject or body? -----Original Message----- From: FoxWolfie Galen Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:09 AM To: fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org Subject: Re: FL: Friggin spam On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 21:55:41 -0400, YappyFox at thefoxden.com wrote: > I'm not sure how to fix it at the moment, but if it keeps getting out of > hand, I will moderate the mail list. Personally, I'd block all mail from gmail, and yahoo, just like lists used to block everything from aol and hotmail. The problem with these email services is that they are free and used by so many people, so they will always attract the spammers. 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URL: From smorizio at hotmail.com Sat Oct 6 00:50:46 2012 From: smorizio at hotmail.com (steven morizio) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 00:50:46 -0400 Subject: FL: one of babs bunny photos ended up on break front web page today. Message-ID: looks liek an older one from anthrocon. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donkeyears at gmail.com Sat Oct 6 00:56:35 2012 From: donkeyears at gmail.com (Donkey) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 23:56:35 -0500 Subject: FL: one of babs bunny photos ended up on break front web page today. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What is this break front? When I did a goggle surch I came up with cabnets. On Oct 5, 2012 11:51 PM, "steven morizio" wrote: > looks liek an older one from anthrocon. > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: > http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aidenislove at yahoo.com Sat Oct 6 15:40:07 2012 From: aidenislove at yahoo.com (Aiden Raccoon) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 12:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FL: one of babs bunny photos ended up on break front web page today. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1349552407.26761.YahooMailNeo@web163104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Here's the link to it.? http://www.break.com/pictures/wth-furry-hand-fulls-2375983? It looks like Jim Groat (aka Rabbi Tom) is the one doing the squeezing. ________________________________ From: steven morizio To: "fursuit-list at fursuit.org" Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:50 PM Subject: FL: one of babs bunny photos ended up on break front web page today. looks liek an older one from anthrocon. _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brandonjheaton at aol.com Sat Oct 6 20:06:58 2012 From: brandonjheaton at aol.com (brandonjheaton at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 20:06:58 -0400 Subject: FL: one of babs bunny photos ended up on break front web page today. In-Reply-To: <1349552407.26761.YahooMailNeo@web163104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1349552407.26761.YahooMailNeo@web163104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5F9158A3-94C3-4832-9D99-A8BBD5816CEA@aol.com> I'm sorry, what do you mean? On Oct 6, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Aiden Raccoon wrote: > Here's the link to it. http://www.break.com/pictures/wth-furry-hand-fulls-2375983 It looks like Jim Groat (aka Rabbi Tom) is the one doing the squeezing. > > > From: steven morizio > To: "fursuit-list at fursuit.org" > Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:50 PM > Subject: FL: one of babs bunny photos ended up on break front web page today. > > looks liek an older one from anthrocon. > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <5F9158A3-94C3-4832-9D99-A8BBD5816CEA@aol.com> References: <1349552407.26761.YahooMailNeo@web163104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5F9158A3-94C3-4832-9D99-A8BBD5816CEA@aol.com> Message-ID: <2CF23090-2B76-47CD-A08D-93EE6CB982C8@aol.com> I still don't know On Oct 6, 2012, at 8:06 PM, brandonjheaton at aol.com wrote: > I'm sorry, what do you mean? > > > > On Oct 6, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Aiden Raccoon wrote: > >> Here's the link to it. http://www.break.com/pictures/wth-furry-hand-fulls-2375983 It looks like Jim Groat (aka Rabbi Tom) is the one doing the squeezing. >> >> >> From: steven morizio >> To: "fursuit-list at fursuit.org" >> Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:50 PM >> Subject: FL: one of babs bunny photos ended up on break front web page today. >> >> looks liek an older one from anthrocon. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Fursuit Mail list. >> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >> >> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Fursuit Mail list. >> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brandonjheaton at aol.com Sat Oct 6 22:00:45 2012 From: brandonjheaton at aol.com (brandonjheaton at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 22:00:45 -0400 Subject: FL: one of babs bunny photos ended up on break front web page today. In-Reply-To: <2CF23090-2B76-47CD-A08D-93EE6CB982C8@aol.com> References: <1349552407.26761.YahooMailNeo@web163104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5F9158A3-94C3-4832-9D99-A8BBD5816CEA@aol.com> <2CF23090-2B76-47CD-A08D-93EE6CB982C8@aol.com> Message-ID: <65898A8B-56FB-433F-94A2-828F7E7976C1@aol.com> I really don't care either On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:59 PM, brandonjheaton at aol.com wrote: > I still don't know > > > > On Oct 6, 2012, at 8:06 PM, brandonjheaton at aol.com wrote: > >> I'm sorry, what do you mean? >> >> >> >> On Oct 6, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Aiden Raccoon wrote: >> >>> Here's the link to it. http://www.break.com/pictures/wth-furry-hand-fulls-2375983 It looks like Jim Groat (aka Rabbi Tom) is the one doing the squeezing. >>> >>> >>> From: steven morizio >>> To: "fursuit-list at fursuit.org" >>> Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:50 PM >>> Subject: FL: one of babs bunny photos ended up on break front web page today. >>> >>> looks liek an older one from anthrocon. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fursuit Mail list. >>> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fursuit Mail list. >>> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Fursuit Mail list. >> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aidenislove at yahoo.com Sun Oct 7 17:19:09 2012 From: aidenislove at yahoo.com (Aiden Raccoon) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 14:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FL: one of babs bunny photos ended up on break front web page today. In-Reply-To: <65898A8B-56FB-433F-94A2-828F7E7976C1@aol.com> References: <1349552407.26761.YahooMailNeo@web163104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5F9158A3-94C3-4832-9D99-A8BBD5816CEA@aol.com> <2CF23090-2B76-47CD-A08D-93EE6CB982C8@aol.com> <65898A8B-56FB-433F-94A2-828F7E7976C1@aol.com> Message-ID: <1349644749.69133.YahooMailNeo@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> brandon.? I put the link to the picture there ________________________________ From: "brandonjheaton at aol.com" To: "fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org" Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 9:00 PM Subject: Re: FL: one of babs bunny photos ended up on break front web page today. I really don't care either On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:59 PM, brandonjheaton at aol.com wrote: I still don't know > > > > >On Oct 6, 2012, at 8:06 PM, brandonjheaton at aol.com wrote: > > >I'm sorry, what do you mean? >> >> >> >> >>On Oct 6, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Aiden Raccoon wrote: >> >> >>Here's the link to it.? http://www.break.com/pictures/wth-furry-hand-fulls-2375983? It looks like Jim Groat (aka Rabbi Tom) is the one doing the squeezing. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> From: steven morizio >>>To: "fursuit-list at fursuit.org" >>>Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:50 PM >>>Subject: FL: one of babs bunny photos ended up on break front web page today. >>> >>> >>> >>>looks liek an older one from anthrocon. >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Fursuit Mail list. >>>To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Fursuit Mail list. >>>To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >_______________________________________________ >>_______________________________________________ >>Fursuit Mail list. >>To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register _______________________________________________ >_______________________________________________ >Fursuit Mail list. >To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Fursuit Mail list. To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brandonjheaton at aol.com Sun Oct 7 17:20:56 2012 From: brandonjheaton at aol.com (brandonjheaton at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 17:20:56 -0400 Subject: FL: one of babs bunny photos ended up on break front web page today. In-Reply-To: <1349644749.69133.YahooMailNeo@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1349552407.26761.YahooMailNeo@web163104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5F9158A3-94C3-4832-9D99-A8BBD5816CEA@aol.com> <2CF23090-2B76-47CD-A08D-93EE6CB982C8@aol.com> <65898A8B-56FB-433F-94A2-828F7E7976C1@aol.com> <1349644749.69133.YahooMailNeo@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95C3CCBE-6BBC-4AE5-A33D-936B2A39120C@aol.com> I don't care On Oct 7, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Aiden Raccoon wrote: > brandon. I put the link to the picture there > > From: "brandonjheaton at aol.com" > To: "fursuit-list at lists.fursuit.org" > Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 9:00 PM > Subject: Re: FL: one of babs bunny photos ended up on break front web page today. > > I really don't care either > > > > On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:59 PM, brandonjheaton at aol.com wrote: > >> I still don't know >> >> >> >> On Oct 6, 2012, at 8:06 PM, brandonjheaton at aol.com wrote: >> >>> I'm sorry, what do you mean? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 6, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Aiden Raccoon wrote: >>> >>>> Here's the link to it. http://www.break.com/pictures/wth-furry-hand-fulls-2375983 It looks like Jim Groat (aka Rabbi Tom) is the one doing the squeezing. >>>> >>>> >>>> From: steven morizio >>>> To: "fursuit-list at fursuit.org" >>>> Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:50 PM >>>> Subject: FL: one of babs bunny photos ended up on break front web page today. >>>> >>>> looks liek an older one from anthrocon. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Fursuit Mail list. >>>> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Fursuit Mail list. >>>> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >>> _______________________________________________ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fursuit Mail list. >>> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register >> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Fursuit Mail list. >> To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Fursuit Mail list. > To edit your subscription, visit: http://www.fursuit.org/user_mailman_register -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jambrassard at earthlink.net Sun Oct 7 17:56:40 2012 From: jambrassard at earthlink.net (Michel Brassard) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 17:56:40 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: FL: Washing Machines and Fursuits Message-ID: <15927728.1349647000847.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I am currently shopping for a new washing machine. From past experience, I know that front loaders are great for washing a fursuit. They are gentle and you do not have to worry about some agitator like you do on the old top loaders. What I am curious about are the new high efficiency top loaders. These machines do not have a center agitator either. Have any of you ever washed your fursuit in one of these new machines? Michel Mephit From m.kalkbrenner at maskottchen-germany.de Mon Oct 8 03:09:39 2012 From: m.kalkbrenner at maskottchen-germany.de (Markus Kalkbrenner - Maskottchen Germany) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 09:09:39 +0200 Subject: FL: Washing Machines and Fursuits In-Reply-To: <15927728.1349647000847.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <15927728.1349647000847.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1161658279.20121008090939@maskottchen-germany.de> Hi Michel Look for that one - 14KG drum and the maschine weights the wash and calculates how much water it needs. No matter you put 1KG or 14KG in I chuck a Complete mascot suit in that - Greets Atalon the Deer From donkeyears at gmail.com Wed Oct 10 21:15:12 2012 From: donkeyears at gmail.com (Donkey) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 20:15:12 -0500 Subject: FL: Fursuits in movies you would not expect them Message-ID: I was watching The James Bond movie Moonraker and there is a band wearing fursuits at about 1:03:00 into the movie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galen at velocity.net Wed Oct 24 04:02:24 2012 From: galen at velocity.net (FoxWolfie Galen) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 04:02:24 -0400 Subject: FL: Friggin spam In-Reply-To: <68CA5C7F5E1147AD9ED3D2830C20B5D9@Antimon8300> References: <68CA5C7F5E1147AD9ED3D2830C20B5D9@Antimon8300> Message-ID: > is there a filter key we can implement, where messages will get auto > rejected if a keyword isn't present in subject or body? Yes, but it might be more annoying to some users than the small amount of spam this list gets. Requiring fur* somewhere in the subject or body could prevent a lot of the spam. The problem is that it would reject valid mail from users who forgot to use the word. I think a better idea would be to auto-reject anything that is CC:'d to more than three or four addresses at a time. Such a filter would block most of the spam, with little to no impact on normal use. It wouldn't be perfect, but I haven't seen too many single-recipient spams on mailing lists lately. There's nearly always a block of 10 to 30 mostly gmail and yahoo addresses in the header. -- _]\-/[_ galen at velocity.net (FoxWolfie Galen) =_^o^_= http://velocity.net/~galen/ ^U^ AIM: CubCoon From dennisthetiger at chez-vrolet.net Fri Dec 7 00:08:17 2012 From: dennisthetiger at chez-vrolet.net (Dennis Carr) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 21:08:17 -0800 Subject: FL: Washing Machines and Fursuits In-Reply-To: <1161658279.20121008090939@maskottchen-germany.de> References: <15927728.1349647000847.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1161658279.20121008090939@maskottchen-germany.de> Message-ID: <20121206210817.8a303a82091f354c08301960@chez-vrolet.net> On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 09:09:39 +0200 Markus Kalkbrenner - Maskottchen Germany wrote: > Hi Michel > > Look for that one - > > 14KG drum and the maschine weights the wash and calculates how much > water it needs. > No matter you put 1KG or 14KG in > > I chuck a Complete mascot suit in that - Personally, I'd be happy with a drier that uses a humidistat instead of a timer. -Dennis From marcwolf at marcwolf.org Thu Dec 27 02:06:15 2012 From: marcwolf at marcwolf.org (marcwolf) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:06:15 +1000 Subject: FL: Hot vs Cold foam In-Reply-To: <20121206210817.8a303a82091f354c08301960@chez-vrolet.net> References: <15927728.1349647000847.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net><1161658279.20121008090939@maskottchen-germany.de> <20121206210817.8a303a82091f354c08301960@chez-vrolet.net> Message-ID: <806530E8D40B4A7393E22A44A12B4C03@anubishs> Hi Folks I am currently making an underskull that I will need to put a foam covering. Now - I don't have a large over so foam latex will be an issue, plus latex tends to decay after a while. I have seen some cold 2 part foam and was wondering if anyone has any experience with it. Many thanks Marc